Tesla "Full Self-Driving" Beta released

[George K]

Watching these videos, and they are, for the most part, pretty impressive, I don't see how "Full Self-Driving" is really any easier than just doing it by yourself. Maybe it's because I'm an old fart, but it strikes me as being more work than just putting your feet on the pedals and turning the wheel. As I was watching, I always thought, "Is it going to stop? C'mon, man. STOP!!" I don't need that.

That said, I love the adaptive cruise control in my car. It makes all kinds of driving so much easier, but requires little more, if any, attention than regular driving.

[jon-nyc]

@Loki does that number include hybrids? It seems high.

[xenon]

@George-K said in Tesla "Full Self-Driving" Beta released:

Watching these videos, and they are, for the most part, pretty impressive, I don't see how "Full Self-Driving" is really any easier than just doing it by yourself. Maybe it's because I'm an old fart, but it strikes me as being more work than just putting your feet on the pedals and turning the wheel. As I was watching, I always thought, "Is it going to stop? C'mon, man. STOP!!" I don't need that.

That said, I love the adaptive cruise control in my car. It makes all kinds of driving so much easier, but requires little more, if any, attention than regular driving.

The endgame is cars that don’t need a driver and talk to each other.

No intersection lights. Higher throughout, given the same infrastructure. And probably a fraction of the 40K or so deaths per year on roads. (Not sure about that number - but you get the point. )

Owning a car in the future will be somewhat akin to owning a horse today.

[Loki]

@jon-nyc said in Tesla "Full Self-Driving" Beta released:

@Loki does that number include hybrids? It seems high.

That’s a good point. Yes.

[Axtremus]

@xenon said in Tesla "Full Self-Driving" Beta released:

The endgame is cars that don’t need a driver and talk to each other.

I still want Star Trek’s transporter.

No intersection lights.

Not without outlawing pedestrians and cyclists. We will still need signal lights, if only for the luddites who insist on retaining their freedom to walk or pedal with their own two feet without electromechanical aid.

[Klaus]

If self driving is supposed to be a success, we should be surprised when it does something wrong, not when it does something right.

I kind of agree with George that its utility is limited when you still have to be ready to take over in any second.

I want my self driving car to have a bed that I can sleep in and a desk I can work at while it drives me to the desired location.

[Mik]

@George-K it took me a while to get used to adaptive cruise, but now I love it. The only drawback is that someties you will get stuck behind someone who is going slower than you wnt to (that's pretty much everybody for me) and you dont notice when you could have passed them on the right.

[Axtremus]

@Klaus said in Tesla "Full Self-Driving" Beta released:

I kind of agree with George that its utility is limited when you still have to be ready to take over in any second.

I will be even more impressed when the self-driving AI providers accept all legal liability otherwise borne by the human driver for whenever the vehicle is not manually taken off auto pilot.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Klaus said in Tesla "Full Self-Driving" Beta released:

If self driving is supposed to be a success, we should be surprised when it does something wrong, not when it does something right.

I kind of agree with George that its utility is limited when you still have to be ready to take over in any second.

I want my self driving car to have a bed that I can sleep in and a desk I can work at while it drives me to the desired location.

So, basically a train.

[Copper]

Once we get the self-driving figured out

We won't want to go anywhere

We'll just remain locked-down

Maybe just send the Chevy to pick up the kids

[taiwan_girl]

@xenon said in Tesla "Full Self-Driving" Beta released:

No intersection lights. Higher throughout, given the same infrastructure. And probably a fraction of the 40K or so deaths per year on roads.

I agree. I was reading that alot of traffic jams are not because of too many cars on the road, but because the cars are going different speeds. Almost like a "Slinky" toy. One car slows. The one behind reacts, behind that one reacts a bit slower, until eventually a car comes to a stop.

Link to video

[George K]

@taiwan_girl that's interesting. Not unusual to be driving the "expressways" in Chicago and things slow to a crawl for no apparent reason. I just shake my head and wonder what that was all about. This makes it a bit more clear.

Also, the psychology of driving in "wolf packs." If you look at how traffic is bunched up on expressways, you'll see it come in waves (assuming the flow is steady and fast). I try to stay between them.

[Copper]

There was a spot on I-395 near the Pentagon where the traffic would always stall during rush hour.

The weird thing was that it would stall even when it wasn't rush hour. The limit was 55 but light traffic at midnight would still go 40. I think it became a habit.

[Mik]

You would think that if the number of lanes stays constant and everyone went the same speed traffic would move without delay, barring accidents, etc. Perhaps that is where this will take us.

[Copper]

Yes, definitely.

While spending millions of hours sitting at Northern Virginia stoplights, it was obvious to me that the roads had tons of unused capacity. Everyone was just sitting at stoplights while most of the pavement gathered dust.

It is even more obvious from the air. Route 7 looked less than 50% utilized at evening rush hour. But I know from the ground you were sitting in a pack, looking at each other, slowing for the next light.