Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19
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He looks frail, but it's great to finally see he's able to offer a short YouTube video.
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The Proverbs project will be pretty cool. They could really do with some serious analysis made public.
Also can't wait to see what his online school will look like from the standpoint of the business model.
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@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
Klaus, he's done an entire lecture series on Genesis. Maps of Meaning is all about a comprehensive analysis of the Bible, Egyptian mythology, and Mesopotamian mythology.
If you don't like listening to a religious perspective then there's absolutely no point in you listening to him about anything.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
Klaus, he's done an entire lecture series on Genesis. Maps of Meaning is all about a comprehensive analysis of the Bible, Egyptian mythology, and Mesopotamian mythology.
If you don't like listening to a religious perspective then there's absolutely no point in you listening to him about anything.
There's a difference between a religious perspective and people who are too religious. People who are too religious never seem able to grasp this.
I recently contacted an old friend. After about three emails he'd started asking me whether I'd been saved, and told me that my time was short. Fuck that for a game of soldiers. Of course, he thought he was doing me a favour.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
Klaus, he's done an entire lecture series on Genesis. Maps of Meaning is all about a comprehensive analysis of the Bible, Egyptian mythology, and Mesopotamian mythology.
If you don't like listening to a religious perspective then there's absolutely no point in you listening to him about anything.
Well, he wasn't really religious in the past even when talking about the bible. He presented the bible as containing truths about human nature. The bible had the same metaphysical status to him as great literature or art or other forms of mythology. I liked that point of view. His points were interesting, regardless of whether one believes in God or not. I'd find it regrettable if that would change and he'd become some sort of preacher.
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So, it has come to this.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
Klaus, he's done an entire lecture series on Genesis. Maps of Meaning is all about a comprehensive analysis of the Bible, Egyptian mythology, and Mesopotamian mythology.
If you don't like listening to a religious perspective then there's absolutely no point in you listening to him about anything.
There's a difference between a religious perspective and people who are too religious. People who are too religious never seem able to grasp this.
I recently contacted an old friend. After about three emails he'd started asking me whether I'd been saved, and told me that my time was short. Fuck that for a game of soldiers. Of course, he thought he was doing me a favour.
I don't think Peterson's going to join the 700 Club anytime soon.
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@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
Well, he wasn't really religious in the past even when talking about the bible. He presented the bible as containing truths about human nature. The bible had the same metaphysical status to him as great literature or art or other forms of mythology. I liked that point of view. His points were interesting, regardless of whether one believes in God or not. I'd find it regrettable if that would change and he'd become some sort of preacher.
Well first of all, this really doesn't have anything to do with anything, but he's said time and again that they aren't his points; he's just compiled research. And he's right. Anyone who's taken literary theory seriously has heard his arguments many times over. This is what you get when you overemphasize the STEM fields and make snide jokes about the "Studies" majors: you hear bedrock literary analysis that's compiled centuries of writing and you think it's new and innovative, because to you it is.
Anyway, I seriously doubt he's going to get all Joel Osteen on his work. Either way, though, I don't care if he gets more religious. The principles of logic tell me his analysis will stand on the support of the arguments he presents, not how much of a nutter atheists think he is.
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It’s always something.
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@jon-nyc said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
In the days of the Sam Harris debates he wouldn’t even cop to believing in god, though it was obvious he did.
Probably the prudent thing to do is to make a list of prominent scientists and make sure they aren't religious. If they are, they should be I dunno, cancelled or something. At the very least, my insecurities about the role of faith in other people's lives is reason enough not to listen to them anymore.
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Some people say that anybody who is religious is an idiot.
Some people say that anybody who doesn't believe in God is an idiot.
Maybe they're both right.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
Well, he wasn't really religious in the past even when talking about the bible. He presented the bible as containing truths about human nature. The bible had the same metaphysical status to him as great literature or art or other forms of mythology. I liked that point of view. His points were interesting, regardless of whether one believes in God or not. I'd find it regrettable if that would change and he'd become some sort of preacher.
Well first of all, this really doesn't have anything to do with anything, but he's said time and again that they aren't his points; he's just compiled research. And he's right. Anyone who's taken literary theory seriously has heard his arguments many times over. This is what you get when you overemphasize the STEM fields and make snide jokes about the "Studies" majors: you hear bedrock literary analysis that's compiled centuries of writing and you think it's new and innovative, because to you it is.
What a strange point you are making. So if you find Peterson interesting, it is because you know the literature and already know all the arguments he's making (but then why do you find him interesting?) But if I find it interesting it is because I'm a silly STEM guy who isn't aware of literary analysis? Wtf? Of course I'm aware that many of his points have been made by others before, but that's the case for almost everything anybody ever says.
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@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
What a strange point you are making. So if you find Peterson interesting, it is because you know the literature and already know all the arguments he's making (but then why do you find him interesting?) But if I find it interesting it is because I'm a silly STEM guy who isn't aware of literary analysis? Wtf? Of course I'm aware that many of his points have been made by others before, but that's the case for almost everything anybody ever says.
Nope, that's a ham-fisted interpretation of what I said. I prefaced that entire paragraph by saying it doesn't have to do with anything we're currently discussing. I'm not accusing you, Klaus, of being a silly STEM guy. (I'm accusing you of perhaps being willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater regarding Peterson's work and his religious views, but that's it.)
I'm saying that yes, I've heard Peterson's arguments before. But how he supports them, with a mix of psychology and mythology, is unique. It's basically a repackaging of Structuralism, except he's swapped Levi-Strauss's anthropology for psychology. So the "what" of his arguments aren't new to me but the "hows" are. I think anyone studying literature should take a look Maps of Meaning.
As for silly STEM people, that was an indictment against silly STEM people, not you in particular. STEM and only STEM is shoved down our throats today, so much so that the arts and humanities are being demonized. (As for the liberal invasion of those disciplines, the institutions responsible for teaching these subjects have every right to be demonized, but that just further complicates matters.) But the arts and humanities are just as important.
It's fascinating for me to go into Rosslyn, Virginia. There are a shitload of office workers there, many of which government contractors. These people do very well for themselves, and hey, not having to worry about the lower tiers of Maslow's hierarchy is no small thing. But there's weirdness there, too. A lot of those people aren't funny. They're not even remotely funny. Their humorous contribution to a conversation is to, over and over again, sarcastically quote lines from sitcoms. That's all they're capable of, that's their one thing. I'm no Dave Chappelle or anything, not even close, but there's something sad about someone who doesn't even know how to throw a stupid joke around.
I've got other things I could bring up but basically, they seem like accomplished, professional flakes with nothing substantial to root them. When you go all in on STEM learning, that's what can happen. Your life becomes convenient but not substantive. You can afford to go to Paris, but you're ignorant of the point behind the art you photograph on your phone. Things get bad enough and you start doing some drastic shit in middle age.
Believe me, it's just as bad to go all in on the arts and humanities and have no science background. It's just that the former mistake is heralded as some kind of virtue and it absolutely isn't.
Please love yourself.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
STEM and only STEM is shoved down our throats today, so much so that the arts and humanities are being demonized.
By whom? Also, who shoves down STEM our throats? If anything, there's a crisis of scientific thinking. For the first time in 300 years, it's under attack from both the left and the right.
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@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
STEM and only STEM is shoved down our throats today, so much so that the arts and humanities are being demonized.
By whom? Also, who shoves down STEM our throats? If anything, there's a crisis of scientific thinking. For the first time in 300 years, it's under attack from both the left and the right.
Also, the fucking poetry doesn't even rhyme.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
STEM and only STEM is shoved down our throats today, so much so that the arts and humanities are being demonized.
By whom? Also, who shoves down STEM our throats? If anything, there's a crisis of scientific thinking. For the first time in 300 years, it's under attack from both the left and the right.
Guidance counselors, teachers, parents, job ads, friends, neighbors, etc., etc. I can't tell you how many people I went to school with, worked with, or met who wanted to study something in the arts and humanities, but their parents saw no value in it so they refused to pay tuition unless they changed majors. It's a very common story. My own parents thought I had lost my mind when I told them what I wanted to get my Master's in. If you want a perfect illustration of this, ask Ax about it.
And no, it's not more under attack, we're just able to see it online for the first time in 300 years.
