Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19
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The ending was quite Petersonesque.
He doesn't seem to be his old self yet.
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 13:32 last edited by@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
Klaus, he's done an entire lecture series on Genesis. Maps of Meaning is all about a comprehensive analysis of the Bible, Egyptian mythology, and Mesopotamian mythology.
If you don't like listening to a religious perspective then there's absolutely no point in you listening to him about anything.
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The ending was quite Petersonesque.
He doesn't seem to be his old self yet.
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 14:07 last edited by@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
The ending was quite Petersonesque.
I was thinking the very same thing
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@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
Klaus, he's done an entire lecture series on Genesis. Maps of Meaning is all about a comprehensive analysis of the Bible, Egyptian mythology, and Mesopotamian mythology.
If you don't like listening to a religious perspective then there's absolutely no point in you listening to him about anything.
wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 14:23 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
Klaus, he's done an entire lecture series on Genesis. Maps of Meaning is all about a comprehensive analysis of the Bible, Egyptian mythology, and Mesopotamian mythology.
If you don't like listening to a religious perspective then there's absolutely no point in you listening to him about anything.
There's a difference between a religious perspective and people who are too religious. People who are too religious never seem able to grasp this.
I recently contacted an old friend. After about three emails he'd started asking me whether I'd been saved, and told me that my time was short. Fuck that for a game of soldiers. Of course, he thought he was doing me a favour.
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@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
Klaus, he's done an entire lecture series on Genesis. Maps of Meaning is all about a comprehensive analysis of the Bible, Egyptian mythology, and Mesopotamian mythology.
If you don't like listening to a religious perspective then there's absolutely no point in you listening to him about anything.
wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 14:30 last edited by Klaus@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
Klaus, he's done an entire lecture series on Genesis. Maps of Meaning is all about a comprehensive analysis of the Bible, Egyptian mythology, and Mesopotamian mythology.
If you don't like listening to a religious perspective then there's absolutely no point in you listening to him about anything.
Well, he wasn't really religious in the past even when talking about the bible. He presented the bible as containing truths about human nature. The bible had the same metaphysical status to him as great literature or art or other forms of mythology. I liked that point of view. His points were interesting, regardless of whether one believes in God or not. I'd find it regrettable if that would change and he'd become some sort of preacher.
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wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 14:31 last edited by
So, it has come to this.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
Klaus, he's done an entire lecture series on Genesis. Maps of Meaning is all about a comprehensive analysis of the Bible, Egyptian mythology, and Mesopotamian mythology.
If you don't like listening to a religious perspective then there's absolutely no point in you listening to him about anything.
There's a difference between a religious perspective and people who are too religious. People who are too religious never seem able to grasp this.
I recently contacted an old friend. After about three emails he'd started asking me whether I'd been saved, and told me that my time was short. Fuck that for a game of soldiers. Of course, he thought he was doing me a favour.
wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 14:31 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
Klaus, he's done an entire lecture series on Genesis. Maps of Meaning is all about a comprehensive analysis of the Bible, Egyptian mythology, and Mesopotamian mythology.
If you don't like listening to a religious perspective then there's absolutely no point in you listening to him about anything.
There's a difference between a religious perspective and people who are too religious. People who are too religious never seem able to grasp this.
I recently contacted an old friend. After about three emails he'd started asking me whether I'd been saved, and told me that my time was short. Fuck that for a game of soldiers. Of course, he thought he was doing me a favour.
I don't think Peterson's going to join the 700 Club anytime soon.
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wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 14:31 last edited by Klaus
So, it has come to this.
Indeed.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
Klaus, he's done an entire lecture series on Genesis. Maps of Meaning is all about a comprehensive analysis of the Bible, Egyptian mythology, and Mesopotamian mythology.
If you don't like listening to a religious perspective then there's absolutely no point in you listening to him about anything.
Well, he wasn't really religious in the past even when talking about the bible. He presented the bible as containing truths about human nature. The bible had the same metaphysical status to him as great literature or art or other forms of mythology. I liked that point of view. His points were interesting, regardless of whether one believes in God or not. I'd find it regrettable if that would change and he'd become some sort of preacher.
wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 14:38 last edited by@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
Well, he wasn't really religious in the past even when talking about the bible. He presented the bible as containing truths about human nature. The bible had the same metaphysical status to him as great literature or art or other forms of mythology. I liked that point of view. His points were interesting, regardless of whether one believes in God or not. I'd find it regrettable if that would change and he'd become some sort of preacher.
Well first of all, this really doesn't have anything to do with anything, but he's said time and again that they aren't his points; he's just compiled research. And he's right. Anyone who's taken literary theory seriously has heard his arguments many times over. This is what you get when you overemphasize the STEM fields and make snide jokes about the "Studies" majors: you hear bedrock literary analysis that's compiled centuries of writing and you think it's new and innovative, because to you it is.
Anyway, I seriously doubt he's going to get all Joel Osteen on his work. Either way, though, I don't care if he gets more religious. The principles of logic tell me his analysis will stand on the support of the arguments he presents, not how much of a nutter atheists think he is.
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wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 14:41 last edited by
In the days of the Sam Harris debates he wouldn’t even cop to believing in god, though it was obvious he did.
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In the days of the Sam Harris debates he wouldn’t even cop to believing in god, though it was obvious he did.
wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 14:46 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
In the days of the Sam Harris debates he wouldn’t even cop to believing in god, though it was obvious he did.
Probably the prudent thing to do is to make a list of prominent scientists and make sure they aren't religious. If they are, they should be I dunno, cancelled or something. At the very least, my insecurities about the role of faith in other people's lives is reason enough not to listen to them anymore.
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wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 15:10 last edited by
Some people say that anybody who is religious is an idiot.
Some people say that anybody who doesn't believe in God is an idiot.
Maybe they're both right.
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@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
Well, he wasn't really religious in the past even when talking about the bible. He presented the bible as containing truths about human nature. The bible had the same metaphysical status to him as great literature or art or other forms of mythology. I liked that point of view. His points were interesting, regardless of whether one believes in God or not. I'd find it regrettable if that would change and he'd become some sort of preacher.
Well first of all, this really doesn't have anything to do with anything, but he's said time and again that they aren't his points; he's just compiled research. And he's right. Anyone who's taken literary theory seriously has heard his arguments many times over. This is what you get when you overemphasize the STEM fields and make snide jokes about the "Studies" majors: you hear bedrock literary analysis that's compiled centuries of writing and you think it's new and innovative, because to you it is.
Anyway, I seriously doubt he's going to get all Joel Osteen on his work. Either way, though, I don't care if he gets more religious. The principles of logic tell me his analysis will stand on the support of the arguments he presents, not how much of a nutter atheists think he is.
wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 15:20 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
Well, he wasn't really religious in the past even when talking about the bible. He presented the bible as containing truths about human nature. The bible had the same metaphysical status to him as great literature or art or other forms of mythology. I liked that point of view. His points were interesting, regardless of whether one believes in God or not. I'd find it regrettable if that would change and he'd become some sort of preacher.
Well first of all, this really doesn't have anything to do with anything, but he's said time and again that they aren't his points; he's just compiled research. And he's right. Anyone who's taken literary theory seriously has heard his arguments many times over. This is what you get when you overemphasize the STEM fields and make snide jokes about the "Studies" majors: you hear bedrock literary analysis that's compiled centuries of writing and you think it's new and innovative, because to you it is.
What a strange point you are making. So if you find Peterson interesting, it is because you know the literature and already know all the arguments he's making (but then why do you find him interesting?) But if I find it interesting it is because I'm a silly STEM guy who isn't aware of literary analysis? Wtf? Of course I'm aware that many of his points have been made by others before, but that's the case for almost everything anybody ever says.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
Well, he wasn't really religious in the past even when talking about the bible. He presented the bible as containing truths about human nature. The bible had the same metaphysical status to him as great literature or art or other forms of mythology. I liked that point of view. His points were interesting, regardless of whether one believes in God or not. I'd find it regrettable if that would change and he'd become some sort of preacher.
Well first of all, this really doesn't have anything to do with anything, but he's said time and again that they aren't his points; he's just compiled research. And he's right. Anyone who's taken literary theory seriously has heard his arguments many times over. This is what you get when you overemphasize the STEM fields and make snide jokes about the "Studies" majors: you hear bedrock literary analysis that's compiled centuries of writing and you think it's new and innovative, because to you it is.
What a strange point you are making. So if you find Peterson interesting, it is because you know the literature and already know all the arguments he's making (but then why do you find him interesting?) But if I find it interesting it is because I'm a silly STEM guy who isn't aware of literary analysis? Wtf? Of course I'm aware that many of his points have been made by others before, but that's the case for almost everything anybody ever says.
wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 16:24 last edited by@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
What a strange point you are making. So if you find Peterson interesting, it is because you know the literature and already know all the arguments he's making (but then why do you find him interesting?) But if I find it interesting it is because I'm a silly STEM guy who isn't aware of literary analysis? Wtf? Of course I'm aware that many of his points have been made by others before, but that's the case for almost everything anybody ever says.
Nope, that's a ham-fisted interpretation of what I said. I prefaced that entire paragraph by saying it doesn't have to do with anything we're currently discussing. I'm not accusing you, Klaus, of being a silly STEM guy. (I'm accusing you of perhaps being willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater regarding Peterson's work and his religious views, but that's it.)
I'm saying that yes, I've heard Peterson's arguments before. But how he supports them, with a mix of psychology and mythology, is unique. It's basically a repackaging of Structuralism, except he's swapped Levi-Strauss's anthropology for psychology. So the "what" of his arguments aren't new to me but the "hows" are. I think anyone studying literature should take a look Maps of Meaning.
As for silly STEM people, that was an indictment against silly STEM people, not you in particular. STEM and only STEM is shoved down our throats today, so much so that the arts and humanities are being demonized. (As for the liberal invasion of those disciplines, the institutions responsible for teaching these subjects have every right to be demonized, but that just further complicates matters.) But the arts and humanities are just as important.
It's fascinating for me to go into Rosslyn, Virginia. There are a shitload of office workers there, many of which government contractors. These people do very well for themselves, and hey, not having to worry about the lower tiers of Maslow's hierarchy is no small thing. But there's weirdness there, too. A lot of those people aren't funny. They're not even remotely funny. Their humorous contribution to a conversation is to, over and over again, sarcastically quote lines from sitcoms. That's all they're capable of, that's their one thing. I'm no Dave Chappelle or anything, not even close, but there's something sad about someone who doesn't even know how to throw a stupid joke around.
I've got other things I could bring up but basically, they seem like accomplished, professional flakes with nothing substantial to root them. When you go all in on STEM learning, that's what can happen. Your life becomes convenient but not substantive. You can afford to go to Paris, but you're ignorant of the point behind the art you photograph on your phone. Things get bad enough and you start doing some drastic shit in middle age.
Believe me, it's just as bad to go all in on the arts and humanities and have no science background. It's just that the former mistake is heralded as some kind of virtue and it absolutely isn't.
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@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
What a strange point you are making. So if you find Peterson interesting, it is because you know the literature and already know all the arguments he's making (but then why do you find him interesting?) But if I find it interesting it is because I'm a silly STEM guy who isn't aware of literary analysis? Wtf? Of course I'm aware that many of his points have been made by others before, but that's the case for almost everything anybody ever says.
Nope, that's a ham-fisted interpretation of what I said. I prefaced that entire paragraph by saying it doesn't have to do with anything we're currently discussing. I'm not accusing you, Klaus, of being a silly STEM guy. (I'm accusing you of perhaps being willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater regarding Peterson's work and his religious views, but that's it.)
I'm saying that yes, I've heard Peterson's arguments before. But how he supports them, with a mix of psychology and mythology, is unique. It's basically a repackaging of Structuralism, except he's swapped Levi-Strauss's anthropology for psychology. So the "what" of his arguments aren't new to me but the "hows" are. I think anyone studying literature should take a look Maps of Meaning.
As for silly STEM people, that was an indictment against silly STEM people, not you in particular. STEM and only STEM is shoved down our throats today, so much so that the arts and humanities are being demonized. (As for the liberal invasion of those disciplines, the institutions responsible for teaching these subjects have every right to be demonized, but that just further complicates matters.) But the arts and humanities are just as important.
It's fascinating for me to go into Rosslyn, Virginia. There are a shitload of office workers there, many of which government contractors. These people do very well for themselves, and hey, not having to worry about the lower tiers of Maslow's hierarchy is no small thing. But there's weirdness there, too. A lot of those people aren't funny. They're not even remotely funny. Their humorous contribution to a conversation is to, over and over again, sarcastically quote lines from sitcoms. That's all they're capable of, that's their one thing. I'm no Dave Chappelle or anything, not even close, but there's something sad about someone who doesn't even know how to throw a stupid joke around.
I've got other things I could bring up but basically, they seem like accomplished, professional flakes with nothing substantial to root them. When you go all in on STEM learning, that's what can happen. Your life becomes convenient but not substantive. You can afford to go to Paris, but you're ignorant of the point behind the art you photograph on your phone. Things get bad enough and you start doing some drastic shit in middle age.
Believe me, it's just as bad to go all in on the arts and humanities and have no science background. It's just that the former mistake is heralded as some kind of virtue and it absolutely isn't.
wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 16:48 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
STEM and only STEM is shoved down our throats today, so much so that the arts and humanities are being demonized.
By whom? Also, who shoves down STEM our throats? If anything, there's a crisis of scientific thinking. For the first time in 300 years, it's under attack from both the left and the right.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
STEM and only STEM is shoved down our throats today, so much so that the arts and humanities are being demonized.
By whom? Also, who shoves down STEM our throats? If anything, there's a crisis of scientific thinking. For the first time in 300 years, it's under attack from both the left and the right.
wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 16:54 last edited by@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
STEM and only STEM is shoved down our throats today, so much so that the arts and humanities are being demonized.
By whom? Also, who shoves down STEM our throats? If anything, there's a crisis of scientific thinking. For the first time in 300 years, it's under attack from both the left and the right.
Also, the fucking poetry doesn't even rhyme.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
STEM and only STEM is shoved down our throats today, so much so that the arts and humanities are being demonized.
By whom? Also, who shoves down STEM our throats? If anything, there's a crisis of scientific thinking. For the first time in 300 years, it's under attack from both the left and the right.
wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 16:57 last edited by Aqua Letifer@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
STEM and only STEM is shoved down our throats today, so much so that the arts and humanities are being demonized.
By whom? Also, who shoves down STEM our throats? If anything, there's a crisis of scientific thinking. For the first time in 300 years, it's under attack from both the left and the right.
Guidance counselors, teachers, parents, job ads, friends, neighbors, etc., etc. I can't tell you how many people I went to school with, worked with, or met who wanted to study something in the arts and humanities, but their parents saw no value in it so they refused to pay tuition unless they changed majors. It's a very common story. My own parents thought I had lost my mind when I told them what I wanted to get my Master's in. If you want a perfect illustration of this, ask Ax about it.
And no, it's not more under attack, we're just able to see it online for the first time in 300 years.
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@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
STEM and only STEM is shoved down our throats today, so much so that the arts and humanities are being demonized.
By whom? Also, who shoves down STEM our throats? If anything, there's a crisis of scientific thinking. For the first time in 300 years, it's under attack from both the left and the right.
Also, the fucking poetry doesn't even rhyme.
wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 16:58 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
STEM and only STEM is shoved down our throats today, so much so that the arts and humanities are being demonized.
By whom? Also, who shoves down STEM our throats? If anything, there's a crisis of scientific thinking. For the first time in 300 years, it's under attack from both the left and the right.
Also, the fucking poetry doesn't even rhyme.
Rigid metrical structures are a symptom of cultural hegemony and patriarchal tyranny. You don't believe me, go ask Judith Butler.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
Klaus, he's done an entire lecture series on Genesis. Maps of Meaning is all about a comprehensive analysis of the Bible, Egyptian mythology, and Mesopotamian mythology.
If you don't like listening to a religious perspective then there's absolutely no point in you listening to him about anything.
There's a difference between a religious perspective and people who are too religious. People who are too religious never seem able to grasp this.
I recently contacted an old friend. After about three emails he'd started asking me whether I'd been saved, and told me that my time was short. Fuck that for a game of soldiers. Of course, he thought he was doing me a favour.
wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 17:18 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
Klaus, he's done an entire lecture series on Genesis. Maps of Meaning is all about a comprehensive analysis of the Bible, Egyptian mythology, and Mesopotamian mythology.
If you don't like listening to a religious perspective then there's absolutely no point in you listening to him about anything.
There's a difference between a religious perspective and people who are too religious. People who are too religious never seem able to grasp this.
I recently contacted an old friend. After about three emails he'd started asking me whether I'd been saved, and told me that my time was short. Fuck that for a game of soldiers. Of course, he thought he was doing me a favour.
He was, you ungrateful bastard.
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@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
STEM and only STEM is shoved down our throats today, so much so that the arts and humanities are being demonized.
By whom? Also, who shoves down STEM our throats? If anything, there's a crisis of scientific thinking. For the first time in 300 years, it's under attack from both the left and the right.
Guidance counselors, teachers, parents, job ads, friends, neighbors, etc., etc. I can't tell you how many people I went to school with, worked with, or met who wanted to study something in the arts and humanities, but their parents saw no value in it so they refused to pay tuition unless they changed majors. It's a very common story. My own parents thought I had lost my mind when I told them what I wanted to get my Master's in. If you want a perfect illustration of this, ask Ax about it.
And no, it's not more under attack, we're just able to see it online for the first time in 300 years.
wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 17:25 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
Guidance counselors, teachers, parents, job ads, friends, neighbors, etc., etc. I can't tell you how many people I went to school with, worked with, or met who wanted to study something in the arts and humanities, but their parents saw no value in it so they refused to pay tuition unless they changed majors. It's a very common story. My own parents thought I had lost my mind when I told them what I wanted to get my Master's in.
Hm. I think you are confusing two things here: 1) The value of the arts and humanities for mankind, 2) The value of the arts and humanities as a career choice. It just happens to be the case that, in many of these domains, there are less jobs than graduates, hence it is not necessarily a wise idea to graduate in that domain. I for one wouldn't stop my kids from studying a humanities/arts subject, but I would ask questions and make sure that they fully understand all the potential consequences. That's the job of a good parent. All this has nothing to do with point 1) from above.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
Klaus, he's done an entire lecture series on Genesis. Maps of Meaning is all about a comprehensive analysis of the Bible, Egyptian mythology, and Mesopotamian mythology.
If you don't like listening to a religious perspective then there's absolutely no point in you listening to him about anything.
There's a difference between a religious perspective and people who are too religious. People who are too religious never seem able to grasp this.
I recently contacted an old friend. After about three emails he'd started asking me whether I'd been saved, and told me that my time was short. Fuck that for a game of soldiers. Of course, he thought he was doing me a favour.
He was, you ungrateful bastard.
wrote on 20 Oct 2020, 17:38 last edited by@Jolly said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
@Klaus said in Jordan Peterson Video new Oct. 19:
I hope he doesn't become too religious now.
Klaus, he's done an entire lecture series on Genesis. Maps of Meaning is all about a comprehensive analysis of the Bible, Egyptian mythology, and Mesopotamian mythology.
If you don't like listening to a religious perspective then there's absolutely no point in you listening to him about anything.
There's a difference between a religious perspective and people who are too religious. People who are too religious never seem able to grasp this.
I recently contacted an old friend. After about three emails he'd started asking me whether I'd been saved, and told me that my time was short. Fuck that for a game of soldiers. Of course, he thought he was doing me a favour.
He was, you ungrateful bastard.
The really funny thing is that he's a Muslim. No lie.