Tone it down
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Not a groundbreaking observation. But the part about "our children are watching" rings true. This is a circus. I can't imagine what a young bright teenager thinks of American politics right now, especially if the2016 cycle was their first exposure to it.
I wouldn't want my kids to watch that last Presidential debate. Or rather, I wouldn't feel proud of the state of our country if they did.
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Not a groundbreaking observation. But the part about "our children are watching" rings true. This is a circus. I can't imagine what a young bright teenager thinks of American politics right now, especially if the2016 cycle was their first exposure to it.
I wouldn't want my kids to watch that last Presidential debate. Or rather, I wouldn't feel proud of the state of our country if they did.
@xenon Yep!
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Wake the fuck up, Romney.
A kid was turned into the world's villain for smiling while having a MAGA hat on. And then, unbelievably, when he actually won his case in court, he's still getting labeled as a far-right hate-monger. We live in a country where there's absolutely nothing Nick Sandmann can do to exonerate himself in the eyes of the left. That's where we're at now.
We also have cities right now with no police presence, and people are dying.
People are getting assaulted (and in the case of Denver, also shot and killed) for having "differing political beliefs."
And how many people have been publicly disgraced because the liberal mob needed another scapegoat? How many hundreds now?
"Lower the heat"? Who the hell do you think you're talking to? It's going to take more people dying gruesomely and publicly before we have a shot at returning to our senses. Or we might double down. Either way, no one wants to take sensible advice, that's not on the table right now.
Please love yourself.
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Wake the fuck up, Romney.
A kid was turned into the world's villain for smiling while having a MAGA hat on. And then, unbelievably, when he actually won his case in court, he's still getting labeled as a far-right hate-monger. We live in a country where there's absolutely nothing Nick Sandmann can do to exonerate himself in the eyes of the left. That's where we're at now.
We also have cities right now with no police presence, and people are dying.
People are getting assaulted (and in the case of Denver, also shot and killed) for having "differing political beliefs."
And how many people have been publicly disgraced because the liberal mob needed another scapegoat? How many hundreds now?
"Lower the heat"? Who the hell do you think you're talking to? It's going to take more people dying gruesomely and publicly before we have a shot at returning to our senses. Or we might double down. Either way, no one wants to take sensible advice, that's not on the table right now.
@Aqua-Letifer Not quite sure if you are disagreeing with Senator Romney or not. LOL
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Well, thank you, Captain Obvious. That particular brand of gutter playground trash talk got ushered in with Trump, and I suspect it will be ushered out with him, too. Along with a boatload of other offenses he colored us with in the eyes of the world.
Politicians can be nasty, but they usually employ more sophistication and more subtlety. And certainly more wit.
But there is no point too obvious to make political hay with, eh, Mitt?
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@Aqua-Letifer Not quite sure if you are disagreeing with Senator Romney or not. LOL
@taiwan_girl said in Tone it down:
@Aqua-Letifer Not quite sure if you are disagreeing with Senator Romney or not. LOL
I think his advice is akin to telling the Soviets to "tone it down" in the early 20s.
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"Lower the heat"?
Within hours, literally hours, of his inauguration, there were calls for impeachment.
As the story unfolds, it becomes apparent that his opposition weaponized the (once great) FBI to investigate him and his associates with made-up evidence.
Puh-leeze.
And yeah, Aqua's comment about Sandmann are spot on.
As an aside, remember the city-wide riots when Romney lost in 2012? Yeah, neither do I.
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@George-K @Aqua-Letifer Maybe I am reading something different from what you guys are reading. LOL
I read the letter as saying to both sides to "calm down". I dont see the letter calling out the Democrats specifically or calling out the Republics specifically.
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@George-K @Aqua-Letifer Maybe I am reading something different from what you guys are reading. LOL
I read the letter as saying to both sides to "calm down". I dont see the letter calling out the Democrats specifically or calling out the Republics specifically.
@taiwan_girl said in Tone it down:
@George-K @Aqua-Letifer Maybe I am reading something different from what you guys are reading. LOL
I read the letter as saying to both sides to "calm down". I dont see the letter calling out the Democrats specifically or calling out the Republics specifically.
It does no good to state something so completely obvious in an environment where no one's the least bit interested in listening.
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If you step back - nothing is so broken in this country that it warrants the compromise on civility and character that we're seeing.
There's a manufactured outrage cycle at play right now.
We're breaking our society by constantly complaining by how broken we are.
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If you step back - nothing is so broken in this country that it warrants the compromise on civility and character that we're seeing.
There's a manufactured outrage cycle at play right now.
We're breaking our society by constantly complaining by how broken we are.
@xenon said in Tone it down:
If you step back
No one's stepping back right now, man. That's a pipe dream. No one is going to do that.
In the media, you have True Believers who think it's their charge in life to destroy their opposition. But for every one of those publications, there are five out there who would want nothing better to never bring up Trump again, but can't because the moment they do, their pageviews tank and their business founders. Add to that the virtue signaling on social media and you have an environment where "stepping back" is literally impossible.
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@xenon said in Tone it down:
If you step back
No one's stepping back right now, man. That's a pipe dream. No one is going to do that.
In the media, you have True Believers who think it's their charge in life to destroy their opposition. But for every one of those publications, there are five out there who would want nothing better to never bring up Trump again, but can't because the moment they do, their pageviews tank and their business founders. Add to that the virtue signaling on social media and you have an environment where "stepping back" is literally impossible.
@Aqua-Letifer I don't disagree. I believe it's almost entirely due to changes in the media landscape.
We're now able to create an proliferate new narratives of reality completely unmoored from facts (old school editorial rooms had their bias - but they were kept in check by other editorial rooms).
We're in the wild west. This is the beginning of a new shift in the concept of a nation state.
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Wake the fuck up, Romney.
A kid was turned into the world's villain for smiling while having a MAGA hat on. And then, unbelievably, when he actually won his case in court, he's still getting labeled as a far-right hate-monger. We live in a country where there's absolutely nothing Nick Sandmann can do to exonerate himself in the eyes of the left. That's where we're at now.
We also have cities right now with no police presence, and people are dying.
People are getting assaulted (and in the case of Denver, also shot and killed) for having "differing political beliefs."
And how many people have been publicly disgraced because the liberal mob needed another scapegoat? How many hundreds now?
"Lower the heat"? Who the hell do you think you're talking to? It's going to take more people dying gruesomely and publicly before we have a shot at returning to our senses. Or we might double down. Either way, no one wants to take sensible advice, that's not on the table right now.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Tone it down:
Wake the fuck up, Romney.
A kid was turned into the world's villain for smiling while having a MAGA hat on. And then, unbelievably, when he actually won his case in court, he's still getting labeled as a far-right hate-monger. We live in a country where there's absolutely nothing Nick Sandmann can do to exonerate himself in the eyes of the left. That's where we're at now.
We also have cities right now with no police presence, and people are dying.
People are getting assaulted (and in the case of Denver, also shot and killed) for having "differing political beliefs."
And how many people have been publicly disgraced because the liberal mob needed another scapegoat? How many hundreds now?
"Lower the heat"? Who the hell do you think you're talking to? It's going to take more people dying gruesomely and publicly before we have a shot at returning to our senses. Or we might double down. Either way, no one wants to take sensible advice, that's not on the table right now.
There are times when you actually stumble into the Truth.
Preach on, Brother!
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@Aqua-Letifer I don't disagree. I believe it's almost entirely due to changes in the media landscape.
We're now able to create an proliferate new narratives of reality completely unmoored from facts (old school editorial rooms had their bias - but they were kept in check by other editorial rooms).
We're in the wild west. This is the beginning of a new shift in the concept of a nation state.
@xenon said in Tone it down:
@Aqua-Letifer I don't disagree. I believe it's almost entirely due to changes in the media landscape.
One thing I've noticed is that a whole lot of boomers are completely unaware of the media shift. They still read Newsweek, watch their local affiliate news and CNN, and they actually think they're reading and watching the same material they did in the 90s. They're oblivious to the massive shift in the media landscape.
Millennials, on the other hand, have grown up with this kind of thing and so they simply don't care about the bias. They measure how smart their friends are by how much the hyperbolic crap their friends consume aligns with the hyperbolic crap they've chosen to believe.
Back in the long ago, you really didn't need a media education because the interns working the news desks as cub reporters were getting it for you, and they were expected to adhere to myriad institutional standards that simply don't exist anymore.
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@Mik said in Tone it down:
It's all about eyes on and how much we can charge for ads based on that.
Sadly, my faith in subscription models seems to have been sorely misplaced. Ads are becoming less important, and individual consumers are starting to contribute more to publication revenue, but it hasn't changed the outrage/signaling content model very much.
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99.9% of it is caused by the democrats and the Left. I know you Trump bashers want to believe it's all Trumps fault, but you are dead wrong. Your opinion of the man is caused 99% BECAUSE of the trash you've had hurled at you for the last 4 years and that you've swallowed hook line and sinker.
And Romney has a lot of gall trying to preach to us about civility.
Several of us here are old enough to have lived through a lot of stuff some of you have only read about. For some of you this is the first time you've experienced a president who is an actual leader. You've been raised to believe that everyone should fart rainbows and flit around in circles skipping and dancing an tossing flower petals. Seeing a real leader shocks your little sensitivities.
Wake the hell up. When someone takes a swing at you, beat the shit out of him. Fuck civility if it means having to let a bunch of shit for brains people run all over you. That may seem crude to some of you, but that's your problem not mine. Romney can kiss my ass.
