Dear Lord, let us have a train-wreck.
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Trump may lose. If he does, I hope it is a fair vote. I suspect it won't be, especially in some states.
What I fervently hope happens, is a train wreck of huge proportions. A train wreck of multiple votes by single voters, a proven loss of ballots mailed in, ballot harvesting illegalities, illegal aliens caught voting and ballots mailed in by people long dead.
Armageddon would be nice, but I will settle for a nice mushroom cloud of in-your-face illegality.
Because we never need to do this again. Never. Ever.
People should show up in person, ID in hand, to vote. If you want to let them vote over two days to cut down on congestion, fine. Want to vote absentee? Show up at a designated place within two weeks of election day, show your ID and vote.
Just as Bush-Gore showed multiple holes in punch card voting, so let this election bury mail-in ballots (with the exception of U.S. military and solicited ballots from citizens out of the country). Too much can go wrong, in our most important institution.
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Wish we could get to the following:
- Yes, a photo ID to vote
- Reasonable requirements to obtain that certified photo ID
- No overly creative obstacles to obtaining the photo ID
- An end to gerrymandering - a boon to both parties in different parts of the country but ultimately not in the best interests of the people
- national minimum standards for voting security
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Isn't this just fundamentally not up to the federal government? The President is elected through the electoral college - it's up to the States how they run their business.
I have no issues with mandatory IDs (I thought they already existed).
Has anyone seriously floated a national ID program as a purpose-built system? (Instead of social security - which I don't think was ever designed to be used the way it's used)
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Back to the topic - I see a bunch of anecdotal examples of voter fraud (dumped votes, etc.)
How do you get 0% risk of fraud without a federal registry of voters tied to birth, naturalization and death status? (And probably electronic, though a paper version could work with enough man power)
Seems like you need some sort of banking or clearinghouse type process.
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I disagree.
Trump may lose, but he has transformed the GOP. You may not like what it has become, but it seems like the GOP is acquiring what used to be hard-core Democrat voters.
@Jolly said in Dear Lord, let us have a train-wreck.:
I disagree.
Trump may lose, but he has transformed the GOP. You may not like what it has become, but it seems like the GOP is acquiring what used to be hard-core Democrat voters.
To clarify, his approach to only trusting himself and believing he alone can take on the world will be adjudicated harshly and the down ballot vote will cost the GOP untold seats.
Oversized id and no evidence of a superego.
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Back to the topic - I see a bunch of anecdotal examples of voter fraud (dumped votes, etc.)
How do you get 0% risk of fraud without a federal registry of voters tied to birth, naturalization and death status? (And probably electronic, though a paper version could work with enough man power)
Seems like you need some sort of banking or clearinghouse type process.
@xenon said in Dear Lord, let us have a train-wreck.:
Back to the topic - I see a bunch of anecdotal examples of voter fraud (dumped votes, etc.)
How do you get 0% risk of fraud without a federal registry of voters tied to birth, naturalization and death status? (And probably electronic, though a paper version could work with enough man power)
Seems like you need some sort of banking or clearinghouse type process.
I don't think you can ever get to 0%, but I think we can do much better. The feds may not can dictate rules to the states for state and local elections, but surely they have influence on federal elections, particularly for a presidential ekection.
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@xenon said in Dear Lord, let us have a train-wreck.:
Back to the topic - I see a bunch of anecdotal examples of voter fraud (dumped votes, etc.)
How do you get 0% risk of fraud without a federal registry of voters tied to birth, naturalization and death status? (And probably electronic, though a paper version could work with enough man power)
Seems like you need some sort of banking or clearinghouse type process.
I don't think you can ever get to 0%, but I think we can do much better. The feds may not can dictate rules to the states for state and local elections, but surely they have influence on federal elections, particularly for a presidential ekection.
@Jolly said in Dear Lord, let us have a train-wreck.:
@xenon said in Dear Lord, let us have a train-wreck.:
Back to the topic - I see a bunch of anecdotal examples of voter fraud (dumped votes, etc.)
How do you get 0% risk of fraud without a federal registry of voters tied to birth, naturalization and death status? (And probably electronic, though a paper version could work with enough man power)
Seems like you need some sort of banking or clearinghouse type process.
I don't think you can ever get to 0%, but I think we can do much better. The feds may not can dictate rules to the states for state and local elections, but surely they have influence on federal elections, particularly for a presidential ekection.
There is no such thing as a federal election.
Including the presidential election.
I had to show my driver's license in order to vote.
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I handed in my vote-by-mail ballot to my local election office in person, and I was required to show my state-issued photo identification and also sign my name into a log book at the election office. Of course, I also had the option to simply put the very same ballot into a regular USPS mail collection, a designated ballot drop box, or hand it to USPS over the counter at my local post office without needing to show ID or sign my name in any log book — but I would not get the “I Voted” sticker or keep the pen I used to sign my name at the local election office. Though I suspect they let every one “keep the pen” he used at the election office because of COVID-19 more than anything else.
