What's the White House's plan, anyway?
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 14:55 last edited by
Okay so obviously you haven't looked into this at all. You should before you comment on it. This is already happening. It's going to be rolled out in May.
The first phase is going to require users to voluntarily download apps that have this API--only cleared government service apps will have it, and no one is under any obligation to use it. Second, not only is the reporting anonymous, but the updates rely on bluetooth pushes to eliminate location data. In other words, you can't get personal information from the API even if you wanted to. Third, once they get phase 2 going, which will integrate directly with device operating systems, it'll still be a voluntary opt-in.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 14:57 last edited by jon-nyc
It’s kind of ironic how many people who have every movement of theirs tracked for advertising purposes would never allow it for public health purposes.
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It’s kind of ironic how many people who have every movement of theirs tracked for advertising purposes would never allow it for public health purposes.
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:02 last edited by Aqua Letifer@jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
It’s kind of ironic how many people who have every movement of theirs tracked for advertising purposes would never allow it for public health purposes.
No, what's ironic to the point of hilarity is that these people still think this ship hasn't left the harbor. It did ten years ago, and when Snowden leaked proof of it, instead of paying any attention to what was leaked, the talk was traitor this and treason that.
The government already has your data. It's not that they can get access with a warrant, they're storing it right now. And oh by the way, it's not anonymous data they're collecting.
But oh sure please, let's freak out over contact tracing because I totally missed the past decade.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:20 last edited by
No way, never
This is not being done now
What is being done now is secret, and illegal, and it should be and those doing it make sure they have plausible deniability
What is being proposed is out in the open and sold as clever and heroic
There is a big difference
If I was the guy collecting that data, there is no way I wouldn't spend nights and weekends messing around with it. I would be all over it. And I would find all kinds of fun stuff that was never intended.
I know, I used to get paid to do that.
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@jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
It’s kind of ironic how many people who have every movement of theirs tracked for advertising purposes would never allow it for public health purposes.
No, what's ironic to the point of hilarity is that these people still think this ship hasn't left the harbor. It did ten years ago, and when Snowden leaked proof of it, instead of paying any attention to what was leaked, the talk was traitor this and treason that.
The government already has your data. It's not that they can get access with a warrant, they're storing it right now. And oh by the way, it's not anonymous data they're collecting.
But oh sure please, let's freak out over contact tracing because I totally missed the past decade.
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:22 last edited by Jolly@Aqua-Letifer said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
It’s kind of ironic how many people who have every movement of theirs tracked for advertising purposes would never allow it for public health purposes.
No, what's ironic to the point of hilarity is that these people still think this ship hasn't left the harbor. It did ten years ago, and when Snowden leaked proof of it, instead of paying any attention to what was leaked, the talk was traitor this and treason that.
The government already has your data. It's not that they can get access with a warrant, they're storing it right now. And oh by the way, it's not anonymous data they're collecting.
But oh sure please, let's freak out over contact tracing because I totally missed the past decade.
That's ok, I didn't see you freaking out at all about the FBI lying about evidence in order to obtain a FISA court warrant.
Hmmm...False data, secret court, anonymous sealed grand juries, threatening suspects with prison time for their innocent families...Gee, that's just hunk-dory...
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:27 last edited by
Well, I for one will opt in. If I lose some privacy and it saves a single life, that's a pretty good deal.
Lots of people seem willing to risk people's lives in order to save the economy. I'm happy to give up a bit of privacy.
Also, If you really value your privacy, why are you posting here?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
It’s kind of ironic how many people who have every movement of theirs tracked for advertising purposes would never allow it for public health purposes.
No, what's ironic to the point of hilarity is that these people still think this ship hasn't left the harbor. It did ten years ago, and when Snowden leaked proof of it, instead of paying any attention to what was leaked, the talk was traitor this and treason that.
The government already has your data. It's not that they can get access with a warrant, they're storing it right now. And oh by the way, it's not anonymous data they're collecting.
But oh sure please, let's freak out over contact tracing because I totally missed the past decade.
That's ok, I didn't see you freaking out at all about the FBI lying about evidence in order to obtain a FISA court warrant.
Hmmm...False data, secret court, anonymous sealed grand juries, threatening suspects with prison time for their innocent families...Gee, that's just hunk-dory...
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:28 last edited by@Jolly said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
It’s kind of ironic how many people who have every movement of theirs tracked for advertising purposes would never allow it for public health purposes.
No, what's ironic to the point of hilarity is that these people still think this ship hasn't left the harbor. It did ten years ago, and when Snowden leaked proof of it, instead of paying any attention to what was leaked, the talk was traitor this and treason that.
The government already has your data. It's not that they can get access with a warrant, they're storing it right now. And oh by the way, it's not anonymous data they're collecting.
But oh sure please, let's freak out over contact tracing because I totally missed the past decade.
That's ok, I didn't see you freaking out at all about the FBI lying about evidence in order to obtain a FISA court warrant.
Hmmm...False data, secret court, anonymous sealed grand juries, threatening suspects with prison time for their innocent families...Gee, that's just hunk-dory...
Indeed, a decade-long initiative to collect and store data from every American citizen and foreign national who uses Apple and Android devices is exactly the same thing as a FISA court warrant.
If you didn't read up about the PRISM program, then you simply don't have any context to have a coherent opinion about this. What they're going to do in May is silly compared to what the government did in secret ten years ago.
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Well, I for one will opt in. If I lose some privacy and it saves a single life, that's a pretty good deal.
Lots of people seem willing to risk people's lives in order to save the economy. I'm happy to give up a bit of privacy.
Also, If you really value your privacy, why are you posting here?
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:31 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
Well, I for one will opt in. If I lose some privacy and it saves a single life, that's a pretty good deal.
Lots of people seem willing to risk people's lives in order to save the economy. I'm happy to give up a bit of privacy.
Also, If you really value your privacy, why are you posting here?
I love the rhetoric here. Yes by all means let's lose some people to send them back to work but don't you dare collect personal information that's already been recorded about me! Lives aren't important, only the economy and my ignorant delusions about privacy.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:35 last edited by
It's virtue signaling vs. asshole signaling
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:39 last edited by
You want to go back to work? Go back to work.
You don't want to go back to work? Don't go back to work.
That isn't up to the governor or the president or anyone else.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:42 last edited by
Same goes for digital contact tracing. Neither you nor anyone else is obligated to participate.
Your emails, text messages, and Facebook posts, though, are another story.
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@Jolly said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
It’s kind of ironic how many people who have every movement of theirs tracked for advertising purposes would never allow it for public health purposes.
No, what's ironic to the point of hilarity is that these people still think this ship hasn't left the harbor. It did ten years ago, and when Snowden leaked proof of it, instead of paying any attention to what was leaked, the talk was traitor this and treason that.
The government already has your data. It's not that they can get access with a warrant, they're storing it right now. And oh by the way, it's not anonymous data they're collecting.
But oh sure please, let's freak out over contact tracing because I totally missed the past decade.
That's ok, I didn't see you freaking out at all about the FBI lying about evidence in order to obtain a FISA court warrant.
Hmmm...False data, secret court, anonymous sealed grand juries, threatening suspects with prison time for their innocent families...Gee, that's just hunk-dory...
Indeed, a decade-long initiative to collect and store data from every American citizen and foreign national who uses Apple and Android devices is exactly the same thing as a FISA court warrant.
If you didn't read up about the PRISM program, then you simply don't have any context to have a coherent opinion about this. What they're going to do in May is silly compared to what the government did in secret ten years ago.
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 15:55 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@Jolly said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@jon-nyc said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
It’s kind of ironic how many people who have every movement of theirs tracked for advertising purposes would never allow it for public health purposes.
No, what's ironic to the point of hilarity is that these people still think this ship hasn't left the harbor. It did ten years ago, and when Snowden leaked proof of it, instead of paying any attention to what was leaked, the talk was traitor this and treason that.
The government already has your data. It's not that they can get access with a warrant, they're storing it right now. And oh by the way, it's not anonymous data they're collecting.
But oh sure please, let's freak out over contact tracing because I totally missed the past decade.
That's ok, I didn't see you freaking out at all about the FBI lying about evidence in order to obtain a FISA court warrant.
Hmmm...False data, secret court, anonymous sealed grand juries, threatening suspects with prison time for their innocent families...Gee, that's just hunk-dory...
Indeed, a decade-long initiative to collect and store data from every American citizen and foreign national who uses Apple and Android devices is exactly the same thing as a FISA court warrant.
If you didn't read up about the PRISM program, then you simply don't have any context to have a coherent opinion about this. What they're going to do in May is silly compared to what the government did in secret ten years ago.
You can't see the forest for the trees. It's not simply that the government is collecting data, it's what do they do with that data once they get it. Secondly, if they don't like it, or you, officials within the government have already shown a proclivity to lie about evidence of data, To Effect Whatever Outcome They Desire, Regardless of Guilt Or Innocence.!
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 16:02 last edited by Aqua Letifer
Really? Color me surprised!
That's exactly what I said was the problem with government data collection—that any story can be ginned up to leverage it against you. Get enough data on someone and anybody can have a solid case made against them. That's what's so funny about falsifying evidence; you can do anyone in without resorting to that now.
I said that here, many times. And all anyone on the right wanted to talk about was how much of a traitor Snowden was. You couldn't possibly be more correct about "forest for the trees."
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You want to go back to work? Go back to work.
You don't want to go back to work? Don't go back to work.
That isn't up to the governor or the president or anyone else.
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 16:05 last edited by@Copper said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
You want to go back to work? Go back to work.
You don't want to go back to work? Don't go back to work.
That isn't up to the governor or the president or anyone else.
And if I kill somebody else, that's a sacrifice I'm willing for them to make, right?
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@Copper said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
You want to go back to work? Go back to work.
You don't want to go back to work? Don't go back to work.
That isn't up to the governor or the president or anyone else.
And if I kill somebody else, that's a sacrifice I'm willing for them to make, right?
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 16:25 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@Copper said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
You want to go back to work? Go back to work.
You don't want to go back to work? Don't go back to work.
That isn't up to the governor or the president or anyone else.
And if I kill somebody else, that's a sacrifice I'm willing for them to make, right?
That is against the law.
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Really? Color me surprised!
That's exactly what I said was the problem with government data collection—that any story can be ginned up to leverage it against you. Get enough data on someone and anybody can have a solid case made against them. That's what's so funny about falsifying evidence; you can do anyone in without resorting to that now.
I said that here, many times. And all anyone on the right wanted to talk about was how much of a traitor Snowden was. You couldn't possibly be more correct about "forest for the trees."
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 16:45 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
Really? Color me surprised!
That's exactly what I said was the problem with government data collection—that any story can be ginned up to leverage it against you. Get enough data on someone and anybody can have a solid case made against them. That's what's so funny about falsifying evidence; you can do anyone in without resorting to that now.
I said that here, many times. And all anyone on the right wanted to talk about was how much of a traitor Snowden was. You couldn't possibly be more correct about "forest for the trees."
You're equating the Snowden general stuff with the Trump *specific * stuff. One is a possibility, the other is a lead pipe cinch.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 16:59 last edited by
One already happened, the other is definitely going to, starting next month. And it's going to remain voluntary. White House hasn't even entertained compulsory use yet.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@Copper said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
You want to go back to work? Go back to work.
You don't want to go back to work? Don't go back to work.
That isn't up to the governor or the president or anyone else.
And if I kill somebody else, that's a sacrifice I'm willing for them to make, right?
That is against the law.
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 17:00 last edited by@Copper said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@Doctor-Phibes said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
@Copper said in What's the White House's plan, anyway?:
You want to go back to work? Go back to work.
You don't want to go back to work? Don't go back to work.
That isn't up to the governor or the president or anyone else.
And if I kill somebody else, that's a sacrifice I'm willing for them to make, right?
That is against the law.
Last time I checked, accidentally giving somebody a virus which went on to kill them wasn't considered to be a crime.
Obviously, we can keep on making sarcastic remarks all day, but it's not really going to achieve very much. In the real world most of us inhabit it's clearly going to be somebody's decision when we should be allowed to go back to work. It is up to other people to decide, whether that's the governor, or the President, or my senior management, or whoever.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 17:05 last edited by
Yes, of course if you intend to kill someone accidentally that is fine, please go ahead.
And my comment above advising AL to follow his heart was meant after our elected officials give the go-ahead.
I believe he was saying he did not want to be forced to go back to work. The president won't force him to go.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 19:32 last edited by