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Puzzle time - shrinking board edition

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  • KlausK Offline
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    Klaus
    wrote on last edited by Klaus
    #2

    Sounds like a prisoner's dilemma-like situation.

    I'd say the solution is 2 or 50. I don't think it is anything between.

    Should the solution take into account that everyone acts completely rational and knows that everyone else acts completely rational, too? Furthermore, I assume you rule out "deals" among subsets?

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      #3

      You do allow for rational people that assume others are rational. The answer is neither 2 nor 50.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        #4

        ||
        Here's the situation for smaller groups, starting with group size 2.

        In the following, the number n denotes the n-th oldest board member. "gs" stands for group size. The notation "1,2 vs 3" means "1,2 vote ayes, 3 votes no".

        gs = 2 -> termination with 1 and 2 remaining
        gs= 3 -> 1,2 vs 3 -> 3 kicked out
        gs = 4 -> 1,2 vs 3,4 -> termination with 1-4 remaining
        gs = 5 -> 1,2,3,4 vs 5 -> 5 kicked out
        gs = 6 -> 1,2,3,4 vs 5,6 -> 6 kicked out
        gs = 7 -> 1,2,3,4 vs 5,6,7 -> 7 kicked out
        gs = 8 -> 1,2,3,4 vs 5,6,7,8 -> termination with 1-8 remaining

        So it looks like the powers of 2 are the termination points.

        Based on that reasoning, I'd say that 32 members remain.
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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          #5

          Yep

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • KlausK Offline
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            wrote on last edited by
            #6

            So, what do I win?

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
              #7

              Bragging rights for beating Horace and Ax to an answer.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • KlausK Offline
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                #8

                I wondered what happens if a stale mate results in kicking out a member, not termination.

                Turns out that in this case the powers of two minus one (1,3,7,15,31 etc.) are the termination points.

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                • KlausK Offline
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                  #9

                  What I meant with my question about "deals" is something like this.

                  Let's assume group size 4. In the strategy described above it would be a termination point.

                  But 3 could make a deal with 1 and 2: I'll vote for kicking out 4 if you promise to vote for termination in the next round.

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                    #10

                    Yeah but they could break their promise and be further ahead on their goals

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      #11

                      It’s fun to think about though

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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