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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by Jolly
    #8

    Listen to the doc.

    I have seen PT's screw up.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Horace
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      #9

      Anyway this post was about my own reflections on what I chose to do in the moment (not say anything). Maybe she was aware of where the repair was, and was correctly assuming that it was not fragile enough to worry about pressing against it. In retrospect, I doubt it, but I do try to respect people in the moment.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
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        Update, please?

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • HoraceH Online
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          Horace
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          #11

          I think I can twitch it... I have the surgery followup with the doctor early tomorrow and I'll probably know one way or the other. I'm still paranoid to try very hard but I think I was able to produce flexing tension on the thumb ring on the brace.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • kluursK Offline
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            #12

            Really hoping for good news on the thumb post-surgery evaluation. It can take a (long) while for recovery.

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            • kluursK kluurs

              Really hoping for good news on the thumb post-surgery evaluation. It can take a (long) while for recovery.

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              #13

              @kluurs said in Had my first PT appt today:

              Really hoping for good news on the thumb post-surgery evaluation. It can take a (long) while for recovery.

              +1 on both points
              It's surprising how long it can take for the swelling to go away, and it impedes movement until it does go away.

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              • HoraceH Online
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                Horace
                wrote on last edited by
                #14

                Thanks George, kluurs and Brenda.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • Catseye3C Offline
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                  Best wishes tomorrow.

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #16

                    Hope you get good news...

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                      #17

                      What Jolly said.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                      • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                        What everybody else said!!!

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                        • HoraceH Online
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                          Horace
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                          #19

                          Nah, something is wrong again. I can pinpoint it to what the PT did but that is never going to be accepted so I'm just going to shrug with ignorance as it ever so slowly dawns on everybody that there must be another tendon discontinuity. I really like this surgeon and he does want this to work. But he's not going to conflict too strongly with his PT team and there can never be any proof of anything anyway. I can't twitch the thumb anymore. That got a shrug and a positive thoughts reaction from the surgeon yesterday. It will take time before the fact that the joint is non functional is accepted. I am familiar with this process from last time. Maybe there will be another procedure. I have three months of free medical care, so there's at least that.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            Nah, something is wrong again. I can pinpoint it to what the PT did but that is never going to be accepted so I'm just going to shrug with ignorance as it ever so slowly dawns on everybody that there must be another tendon discontinuity. I really like this surgeon and he does want this to work. But he's not going to conflict too strongly with his PT team and there can never be any proof of anything anyway. I can't twitch the thumb anymore. That got a shrug and a positive thoughts reaction from the surgeon yesterday. It will take time before the fact that the joint is non functional is accepted. I am familiar with this process from last time. Maybe there will be another procedure. I have three months of free medical care, so there's at least that.

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                            @Horace said in Had my first PT appt today:

                            I can pinpoint it to what the PT did but that is never going to be accepted so I'm just going to shrug with ignorance as it ever so slowly dawns on everybody that there must be another tendon discontinuity

                            The surgeon MUST be made aware of this. If the PT did damage, he should stop referring patients to that organization, or that therapist's qualifications/abilities should be re-examined.

                            Also, does the surgeon say "Wait, and see how it goes?"

                            The problem with tendon injuries is that if they're not repaired, the tendon can atrophy and become useless for further repair. That's the physiology of rotator cuff arthropathy. If the rotator cuff repair is delayed, the tendons turn to mush, and won't hold a suture. I'd see him again ASAP.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #21

                              What George said. Not the time to address this passively.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • HoraceH Horace

                                Nah, something is wrong again. I can pinpoint it to what the PT did but that is never going to be accepted so I'm just going to shrug with ignorance as it ever so slowly dawns on everybody that there must be another tendon discontinuity. I really like this surgeon and he does want this to work. But he's not going to conflict too strongly with his PT team and there can never be any proof of anything anyway. I can't twitch the thumb anymore. That got a shrug and a positive thoughts reaction from the surgeon yesterday. It will take time before the fact that the joint is non functional is accepted. I am familiar with this process from last time. Maybe there will be another procedure. I have three months of free medical care, so there's at least that.

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                                taiwan_girl
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                                @Horace 🙁 So sorry to hear this!!

                                I will continue to send positive thoughts to you and your thumb!!!

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                                  Horace
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                                  I'm doing what I can. If you haven't experienced the wall of positive thinking assumptions you may not respect how high and solid it is. I am reminded of the old story of investigative journalists embedding themselves in insane asylums to study them from the inside. Turns out, it's actually not possible to convince anybody there you're sane, even if you are. In that same vein, it's difficult to convince physical therapists or even the surgeon that the repair failed. There is no demonstrable lack of function that will convince them, until some certain amount of time has passed. I was very direct with the PT today that I am worried that there is another discontinuity. I demonstrated my lack of ability to twitch the joint. She is not convinced. I asked her to relay my concerns to the surgeon, even if she thought I was being paranoid. I have already relayed those concerns to him yesterday. This is the same dance I went through with the last surgeon/pt team. That time, I allowed myself to question my conclusions a little but this time I am just depressed about the whole thing. I won't be giving up and there is yet more time for another free procedure this year. Good thing they don't jack up health insurance rates like they do for car insurance, when you use it.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • HoraceH Online
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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #24

                                    I know I could be more proactive. Heck, I could probably just request my surgeon refer me to a third opinion and maybe it'd all be covered. I guess I have a very strong tendency against being that pushy.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      @Horace said in Had my first PT appt today:

                                      I can pinpoint it to what the PT did but that is never going to be accepted so I'm just going to shrug with ignorance as it ever so slowly dawns on everybody that there must be another tendon discontinuity

                                      The surgeon MUST be made aware of this. If the PT did damage, he should stop referring patients to that organization, or that therapist's qualifications/abilities should be re-examined.

                                      Also, does the surgeon say "Wait, and see how it goes?"

                                      The problem with tendon injuries is that if they're not repaired, the tendon can atrophy and become useless for further repair. That's the physiology of rotator cuff arthropathy. If the rotator cuff repair is delayed, the tendons turn to mush, and won't hold a suture. I'd see him again ASAP.

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                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #25

                                      @George-K said in Had my first PT appt today:

                                      @Horace said in Had my first PT appt today:

                                      I can pinpoint it to what the PT did but that is never going to be accepted so I'm just going to shrug with ignorance as it ever so slowly dawns on everybody that there must be another tendon discontinuity

                                      The surgeon MUST be made aware of this. If the PT did damage, he should stop referring patients to that organization, or that therapist's qualifications/abilities should be re-examined.

                                      Also, does the surgeon say "Wait, and see how it goes?"

                                      The problem with tendon injuries is that if they're not repaired, the tendon can atrophy and become useless for further repair. That's the physiology of rotator cuff arthropathy. If the rotator cuff repair is delayed, the tendons turn to mush, and won't hold a suture. I'd see him again ASAP.

                                      This.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        I know I could be more proactive. Heck, I could probably just request my surgeon refer me to a third opinion and maybe it'd all be covered. I guess I have a very strong tendency against being that pushy.

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                                        @Horace said in Had my first PT appt today:

                                        I know I could be more proactive. Heck, I could probably just request my surgeon refer me to a third opinion and maybe it'd all be covered. I guess I have a very strong tendency against being that pushy.

                                        I'm very non-pushy too in RL and generally sit silently stewing rather than get something done, but I think with medical issues you really have to be your own advocate when something isn't right.

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          I know I could be more proactive. Heck, I could probably just request my surgeon refer me to a third opinion and maybe it'd all be covered. I guess I have a very strong tendency against being that pushy.

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                                          @Horace said in Had my first PT appt today:

                                          I know I could be more proactive. Heck, I could probably just request my surgeon refer me to a third opinion and maybe it'd all be covered. I guess I have a very strong tendency against being that pushy.

                                          If I were nearby I’d be glad to go with you as your pushy bastard companion. 😏

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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