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    Klaus
    wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 06:36 last edited by
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    https://christopherrufo.com/president-signs-executive-order-abolishing-critical-race-theory/

    I’d have phrased things differently, but it is in any case good to finally see some “fighting back” against “wokeism”.

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      Copper
      wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 14:23 last edited by
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      He is playing to win.

      Good

      In case you were wondering

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

      Critical race theory (CRT)[1] is a theoretical framework in the social sciences that examines society and culture as they relate to categorizations of race, law, and power.[2][3] Developed out of postmodern philosophy, it is based on critical theory, a social philosophy that argues that social problems are influenced and created more by societal structures and cultural assumptions than by individual and psychological factors. It began as a theoretical movement within American law schools in the mid- to late 1980s as a reworking of critical legal studies on race issues,[4][5] and is loosely unified by two common themes. Firstly, CRT proposes that white supremacy and racial power are maintained over time, and in particular, that the law may play a role in this process. Secondly, CRT work has investigated the possibility of transforming the relationship between law and racial power, as well as pursuing a project of achieving racial emancipation and anti-subordination more broadly.[6]

      By 2002, over 20 American law schools, and at least 3 law schools in other countries, offered critical race theory courses or classes which covered the issue centrally.[7] In addition to law, critical race theory is taught and innovated in the fields of education, political science, women's studies, ethnic studies, communication, sociology, and American studies.[8] Important scholars to the theory include Derrick Bell, Patricia Williams, Richard Delgado, Kimberlé Williams Crenshaw, Camara Phyllis Jones, and Mari Matsuda.

      Critics of CRT, including Richard Posner and Alex Kozinski, take issue with its foundations in postmodernism and reliance on moral relativism, social constructionism, and other tenets contrary to classical liberalism.

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        Horace
        wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 14:27 last edited by
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        In a nutshell, this is why I support Donald Trump. And I will absolutely accept all those other faults, yep, every one of them, if the choice is between him and the coalition that'll puppeteer Biden.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • H Horace
          23 Sept 2020, 14:27

          In a nutshell, this is why I support Donald Trump. And I will absolutely accept all those other faults, yep, every one of them, if the choice is between him and the coalition that'll puppeteer Biden.

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          Klaus
          wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 14:42 last edited by
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          @Horace said in Good.:

          In a nutshell, this is why I support Donald Trump. And I will absolutely accept all those other faults, yep, every one of them, if the choice is between him and the coalition that'll puppeteer Biden.

          I see it a bit differently. I mostly support this policy of him. But I assume that, say, Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz would have also supported such a policy. It doesn't cancel out the myriad of other things I dislike about him and his other policies. The GOP needs to press the "reset" button, and the price for pressing that reset button is to endure four years of Biden and hope that Biden won't screw up things completely.

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          • K Klaus
            23 Sept 2020, 14:42

            @Horace said in Good.:

            In a nutshell, this is why I support Donald Trump. And I will absolutely accept all those other faults, yep, every one of them, if the choice is between him and the coalition that'll puppeteer Biden.

            I see it a bit differently. I mostly support this policy of him. But I assume that, say, Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz would have also supported such a policy. It doesn't cancel out the myriad of other things I dislike about him and his other policies. The GOP needs to press the "reset" button, and the price for pressing that reset button is to endure four years of Biden and hope that Biden won't screw up things completely.

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            taiwan_girl
            wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 15:30 last edited by
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            @Klaus said in Good.:

            @Horace said in Good.:

            In a nutshell, this is why I support Donald Trump. And I will absolutely accept all those other faults, yep, every one of them, if the choice is between him and the coalition that'll puppeteer Biden.

            I see it a bit differently. I mostly support this policy of him. But I assume that, say, Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz would have also supported such a policy. It doesn't cancel out the myriad of other things I dislike about him and his other policies. The GOP needs to press the "reset" button, and the price for pressing that reset button is to endure four years of Biden and hope that Biden won't screw up things completely.

            👆🏻

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              Jolly
              wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 15:35 last edited by
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              You lose Trump and this stuff doesn't die, it doesn't reset, it blooms into law.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • J Jolly
                23 Sept 2020, 15:35

                You lose Trump and this stuff doesn't die, it doesn't reset, it blooms into law.

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                Klaus
                wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 15:41 last edited by
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                @Jolly said in Good.:

                You lose Trump and this stuff doesn't die, it doesn't reset, it blooms into law.

                I agree that "wokeism" is a real and serious threat, but everything can be reversed. Also, the point where I begin to disagree with Trump's proposal on this matter is when it turns into the direction of "patriotic education", which sounds like out of the frying pan into the fire. I'm worried that he would try to replace one set of stupid identity politics with another set of stupid identity politics. There are already hints of that in the current executive order.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 15:44 last edited by
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                  Don't think it will go that far. The education system is far too liberal.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 16:17 last edited by
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                    Others may well have supported the same act. The problem with that is they are not options for 2021-2024. Trump is.

                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                    • K Klaus
                      23 Sept 2020, 14:42

                      @Horace said in Good.:

                      In a nutshell, this is why I support Donald Trump. And I will absolutely accept all those other faults, yep, every one of them, if the choice is between him and the coalition that'll puppeteer Biden.

                      I see it a bit differently. I mostly support this policy of him. But I assume that, say, Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz would have also supported such a policy. It doesn't cancel out the myriad of other things I dislike about him and his other policies. The GOP needs to press the "reset" button, and the price for pressing that reset button is to endure four years of Biden and hope that Biden won't screw up things completely.

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                      Copper
                      wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 16:25 last edited by
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                      @Klaus said in Good.:

                      hope that Biden won't screw up things completely.

                      They want to outlaw airplane travel

                      They are serious about that

                      I could vote based on that alone

                      But there are a thousand other good reasons

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                      • K Klaus
                        23 Sept 2020, 14:42

                        @Horace said in Good.:

                        In a nutshell, this is why I support Donald Trump. And I will absolutely accept all those other faults, yep, every one of them, if the choice is between him and the coalition that'll puppeteer Biden.

                        I see it a bit differently. I mostly support this policy of him. But I assume that, say, Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz would have also supported such a policy. It doesn't cancel out the myriad of other things I dislike about him and his other policies. The GOP needs to press the "reset" button, and the price for pressing that reset button is to endure four years of Biden and hope that Biden won't screw up things completely.

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                        Horace
                        wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 16:48 last edited by
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                        @Klaus said in Good.:

                        @Horace said in Good.:

                        In a nutshell, this is why I support Donald Trump. And I will absolutely accept all those other faults, yep, every one of them, if the choice is between him and the coalition that'll puppeteer Biden.

                        I see it a bit differently. I mostly support this policy of him. But I assume that, say, Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz would have also supported such a policy. It doesn't cancel out the myriad of other things I dislike about him and his other policies. The GOP needs to press the "reset" button, and the price for pressing that reset button is to endure four years of Biden and hope that Biden won't screw up things completely.

                        Ok. That sort of disagreement is to be expected where some people weigh certain value judgements different from others. But the judgments themselves are understood and respected. This is what political disagreement should look like. Unfortunately these days it too often looks like “omg you support Trump? You are a troglodyte!”

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 16:53 last edited by
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                          Also, there should be a difference between despising a politician and despising the people who vote for him.

                          I was only joking

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