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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Renaming Kennedy Center after himself? No other would have tried and, had they done so, would have been blocked by the courts too. The name is defined in legislation that was passed by both houses of Congress and signed by the President.

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    @jon-nyc said:

    Renaming Kennedy Center after himself? No other would have tried and, had they done so, would have been blocked by the courts too. The name is defined in legislation that was passed by both houses of Congress and signed by the President.

    I was talking about the ballroom, a tangent from the middle of the thread.

    The Kennedy renaming is as far as I can tell a troll, and I'm comfy yawning my way through it as those who enjoy the drama pretend to be worried about it.

    Education is extremely important.

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      I wouldn’t call it a troll. Unless you’re redefining the word. Trump clearly enjoys the idea of having his name on stuff and is looking for more opportunities to do that as the grim reaper nears. Even Penn Station isn’t safe.

      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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        Obviously, Trump derives ego gratification in trolling. Specifically, the sort of trolling that gets his shenanigans at the top of the latest news cycle, and at the top of the minds of those who hate him. Such trolling can be dual purpose if it involves other forms of ego gratification, such as putting his name on stuff. Naming is obviously a nothing burger which will be undone as soon as an adversarial admin is voted in. And none of his enemies will be calling it that in writing or in speech anyway. I wonder what excuse the AP will concoct to not call it by the new name, as they concocted an excuse for not using "Gulf of America".

        Education is extremely important.

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        • RenaudaR Offline
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          It’s more than trolling. It’s building his own desired legacy through enforcing his personal sense of entitlement and empowerment to build public works in his name. He is by no means unique among autocrats in this regard.

          Spit.

          Elbows up!

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          • HoraceH Online
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            Yes and he may be delusional enough to think the names will stick. Or not. But the fact that the new name sticks in the craw of his haters is a bonus to the ego gratification of the (temporary) personal branding of some American institutions.

            Education is extremely important.

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              So traditionally in internet culture trolls were people who posted shit just to get a reaction from people they wish to tweak. If we expand that to mean posting anything that gets a reaction then most of us become trolls and we probably need a new word for what we used to call trolls. And of course pretty much every action by every administration in partisan times will be a troll.

              I suggest we keep the original meaning and chalk up the attempt to broaden it as the typical tribal response of “when our side does something, the other side’s reaction is the story’.

              Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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              • HoraceH Online
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                Doing something which will stick in the craw of your enemies and evoke a response, such as an outrage cycle in the media, is a troll per se, by the classic definition. As long as the toller knows and enjoys the outrage. Even if the troll is dual purpose for other forms of ego gratification.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  It seems like it's not just the word 'troll' that needs redefining. 'Presidential' has taken on a whole new meaning of late.

                  I was only joking

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                    In 1975 Congress chose to name a new federal building in Grand Rapids, MI after then-President Gerald Ford (MI was his home state).

                    He vetoed the bill. This was his veto message.

                    I have today vetoed H.R. 11897, a bill which would name the United States Courthouse and Federal Office Building in Grand Rapids, Michigan, the “President Gerald R. Ford Federal Office Building.”

                    Although I appreciate the honor expressed by the Congress in enacting this legislation, I intend to continue the policy of past Administrations that the executive branch not endorse the naming of Federal office buildings. Generally, the executive branch has deferred to the desires of the Congress on such matters.

                    However, I know of no Federal office buildings that have been named for a President while still in office. This legislation might begin a precedent I believe it best not to establish.

                    The proposed naming of this facility for me in my home community is a great honor, and one for which I am deeply grateful; however, for the reasons I have assigned above I feel I cannot sign H.R. 11897.

                    Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                      Now there’s a word that doesnt float around the current administration very often - Integrity

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                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        It’s more than trolling. It’s building his own desired legacy through enforcing his personal sense of entitlement and empowerment to build public works in his name. He is by no means unique among autocrats in this regard.

                        Spit.

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                        #34

                        @Renauda said:

                        It’s more than trolling. It’s building his own desired legacy through enforcing his personal sense of entitlement and empowerment to build public works in his name. He is by no means unique among autocrats in this regard.

                        Spit.

                        Absolutely. He aspires to be a great president. In another time he might have been. Time will tell. But today we know our public figures so much better than in the past. If he can legitimately defang Iran it will be a huge feather in his cap, but it don’t imagine we’ll be adding his head to Rushmore.

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                        • MikM Mik

                          @Renauda said:

                          It’s more than trolling. It’s building his own desired legacy through enforcing his personal sense of entitlement and empowerment to build public works in his name. He is by no means unique among autocrats in this regard.

                          Spit.

                          Absolutely. He aspires to be a great president. In another time he might have been. Time will tell. But today we know our public figures so much better than in the past. If he can legitimately defang Iran it will be a huge feather in his cap, but it don’t imagine we’ll be adding his head to Rushmore.

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                          @Mik said:

                          @Renauda said:

                          It’s more than trolling. It’s building his own desired legacy through enforcing his personal sense of entitlement and empowerment to build public works in his name. He is by no means unique among autocrats in this regard.

                          Spit.

                          Absolutely. He aspires to be a great president. In another time he might have been. Time will tell. But today we know our public figures so much better than in the past. If he can legitimately defang Iran it will be a huge feather in his cap, but it don’t imagine we’ll be adding his head to Rushmore.

                          Clearly from a personality perspective Trump is an outlier among presidents. I don't believe I can think of any other Western leader so obsessed with self-aggrandizement.

                          I was only joking

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                          • MikM Mik

                            @Renauda said:

                            It’s more than trolling. It’s building his own desired legacy through enforcing his personal sense of entitlement and empowerment to build public works in his name. He is by no means unique among autocrats in this regard.

                            Spit.

                            Absolutely. He aspires to be a great president. In another time he might have been. Time will tell. But today we know our public figures so much better than in the past. If he can legitimately defang Iran it will be a huge feather in his cap, but it don’t imagine we’ll be adding his head to Rushmore.

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                            @Mik said:
                            He aspires to be a great president.

                            Can you name a U.S. president who did not aspire to be a great president?

                            “Aspiring to be a great president” is not a point of distinction, but rather a common trait, even a de facto prerequisite, for the office.

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              @Mik said:
                              He aspires to be a great president.

                              Can you name a U.S. president who did not aspire to be a great president?

                              “Aspiring to be a great president” is not a point of distinction, but rather a common trait, even a de facto prerequisite, for the office.

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                              @Axtremus said:

                              @Mik said:
                              He aspires to be a great president.

                              Can you name a U.S. president who did not aspire to be a great president?

                              “Aspiring to be a great president” is not a point of distinction, but rather a common trait, even a de facto prerequisite, for the office.

                              Are you just blithely implying that Trump has America's best interest at heart?

                              The rest of your tribe may draw and quarter you for that. Don't say it on Bluesky.

                              Education is extremely important.

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