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The Venezuelan Oil Thread

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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    @blondie

    Got it!

    I doubt with high certainty there is anything like that in Vz.

    Edit: we use that tech here because we mine the bitumen. Recovery in VZ is by either waterflood or cold heavy oil production. Pretty basic and inefficient recovery - 10% at best.

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    @Renauda said in The Venezuelan Oil Thread:

    Pretty basic and inefficient recovery - 10% at best.

    Just curious ... does that 10% mean they only recover 10% of the oil that's in whatever it is that passes through their process?

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      Yes, 90% often remains in situ (underground in the formation) owing antiquated recovery methods and until modern enhanced recovery methods are utilised it will remain unrecoverable. Also many of the existing producing wells are already badly damaged by water flooding recovery. Others stopped producing altogether long ago.

      Elbows up!

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      • MikM Mik

        Fair point. I don't see any serious investment until 2028-29. Trump's mercurial nature aside, I suspect companies are going to want to see Venezuela stabilized and on a capitalist track

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        @Mik said in The Venezuelan Oil Thread:

        ... I suspect companies are going to want to see Venezuela stabilized and on a capitalist track

        Does "state capitalism" count?

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          We’re already in fool me twice territory. They nationalized the American-led industry in the 70s. Then in the 90s they invited us back in only to unilaterally dilute the companies’ stakes in the early 2000s.

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          said in The Venezuelan Oil Thread:

          We’re already in fool me twice territory.

          This was during the meeting with Trump yesterday:

          Darren Woods, who leads the largest U.S. oil company, Exxon Mobil, was especially blunt during a televised portion of the meeting.

          “We’ve had our assets seized there twice, and so you can imagine to re-enter a third time would require some pretty significant changes,” he said. “Today it’s uninvestable.”

          The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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            Trump is saying the oil companies need to invest their own money, but he’ll provide the security.

            As a CEO how could you commit billions based on that? Not just speaking Trump’s word, but what guarantees do you have that the next president will commit the DoD to trump’s project of stealing Venezuelan oil? Seems like at best a 50/50 bet.

            The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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            • MikM Away
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              At best. Hell, the next president might well pardon Maduro and put him back in power.

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                So let’s pretend Vz stabilises in near future and the government there requests Maduro to be returned home to stand trial for many crimes he committed while President? Seems that would be a legitimate request. No?

                Elbows up!

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                  This is interesting. The story is behind a paywall but the gist is Trump is trying to shield the Venezuelan oil money that (he thinks) he gets to control from creditors who would be entitled to it.

                  It’s ironic because he says Venezuela stole ‘our’ oil. What they actually stole is the assets of the creditors. But he’s blocking them from being made whole. No idea how successful he’ll be.

                  The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                    At their meeting at the White House, Darren Woods, CEO of Exon, told DJT that Venezuela was "uninvestiable". US oil companies invested 500 billion dollars in Canada. investing in Venezuela is contraindicated as it would drive down the value of that investment. US oil has already dramatically cut drilling and employees in the US - not exactly "drill baby drill".

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Trump is saying the oil companies need to invest their own money, but he’ll provide the security.

                      As a CEO how could you commit billions based on that? Not just speaking Trump’s word, but what guarantees do you have that the next president will commit the DoD to trump’s project of stealing Venezuelan oil? Seems like at best a 50/50 bet.

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                      said in The Venezuelan Oil Thread:

                      Trump is saying the oil companies need to invest their own money, but he’ll provide the security.

                      That was yesterday, this is today:

                      The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                      • kluursK kluurs

                        At their meeting at the White House, Darren Woods, CEO of Exon, told DJT that Venezuela was "uninvestiable". US oil companies invested 500 billion dollars in Canada. investing in Venezuela is contraindicated as it would drive down the value of that investment. US oil has already dramatically cut drilling and employees in the US - not exactly "drill baby drill".

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                        @kluurs said in The Venezuelan Oil Thread:

                        At their meeting at the White House, Darren Woods, CEO of Exon, told DJT that Venezuela was "uninvestiable". US oil companies invested 500 billion dollars in Canada. investing in Venezuela is contraindicated as it would drive down the value of that investment. US oil has already dramatically cut drilling and employees in the US - not exactly "drill baby drill".

                        Somebody’s now on Santa Don’s naughty list.

                        Elbows up!

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