"I gave my dad a choice"
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wrote on 21 Sept 2020, 23:24 last edited by George K
I wrote earlier about trying to express my reasons to my dad in a calm and intellectual manner. I actually thought I had been calm and well-reasoned. I thought I might even be making progress.
Today I found out he put a Trump sign in his yard.
I got pissed. Really pissed. And I sent him and my mom a text message. Hands shaking, tears in eyes. This is what it said:
Due to the signs in the yard, the kids and I will not be down. The current occupant of the White House is preaching hate and violence, endangering the lives and safety of many of my friends. This is not acceptable to me at all. There is a complete disregard for women, minorities, science, ethics, and morality. Please consider if you support Trump that much. Because I hate him that much. I wanted to be upfront and honest about my feelings.
And then I went for a walk to calm down. And the more I thought about it, the more I agreed with the message. At this point, it is not acceptable to me. You can vote for whom you wish. But I can choose who I surround myself with. I love my dad, but I can’t be around him until he understands how vital I believe this election to be and what is truly at stake. It is not easy. But it was necessary. Now to see what fallout occurs.
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wrote on 21 Sept 2020, 23:28 last edited by
Jesus.
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wrote on 21 Sept 2020, 23:29 last edited by
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wrote on 21 Sept 2020, 23:32 last edited by
You know, there's a sickness or two across the fence, who I'm sure would do the same thing.
How does anybody get to that point?
I've got a SIL that is a union steward and a big Biden supporter. I haven't even seriously threatened him, let alone started digging his grave out in the woods...
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wrote on 21 Sept 2020, 23:33 last edited by
Within normal bounds for a modern lefty. The ideas about Trump are totally commonplace. The only fringy thing is how far that person is willing to go to adhere to those beliefs. Most WTF posters would check every single one of those belief boxes.
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wrote on 21 Sept 2020, 23:37 last edited by
Shit, I like Trumpists. Least they don't hate me for my white maleness, which sad to say goes a long way these days.
It's hard for me to talk with my folks about politics, though. They're fully on board with Team Uncle Joe, and I'm just not. I still don't know what I'm going to do in November.
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Shit, I like Trumpists. Least they don't hate me for my white maleness, which sad to say goes a long way these days.
It's hard for me to talk with my folks about politics, though. They're fully on board with Team Uncle Joe, and I'm just not. I still don't know what I'm going to do in November.
wrote on 21 Sept 2020, 23:48 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in "I gave my dad a choice":
they don't hate me for my white maleness
True, dat.
There are so many other reasons to hate you.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in "I gave my dad a choice":
they don't hate me for my white maleness
True, dat.
There are so many other reasons to hate you.
wrote on 21 Sept 2020, 23:54 last edited by@George-K said in "I gave my dad a choice":
@Aqua-Letifer said in "I gave my dad a choice":
they don't hate me for my white maleness
True, dat.
There are so many other reasons to hate you.
Right?? Like, things I'm actually guilty of, things I should actually be ashamed about!
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@George-K said in "I gave my dad a choice":
@Aqua-Letifer said in "I gave my dad a choice":
they don't hate me for my white maleness
True, dat.
There are so many other reasons to hate you.
Right?? Like, things I'm actually guilty of, things I should actually be ashamed about!
wrote on 21 Sept 2020, 23:56 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in "I gave my dad a choice":
@George-K said in "I gave my dad a choice":
@Aqua-Letifer said in "I gave my dad a choice":
they don't hate me for my white maleness
True, dat.
There are so many other reasons to hate you.
Right?? Like, things I'm actually guilty of, things I should actually be ashamed about!
"Should" but "aren't," amirite?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in "I gave my dad a choice":
@George-K said in "I gave my dad a choice":
@Aqua-Letifer said in "I gave my dad a choice":
they don't hate me for my white maleness
True, dat.
There are so many other reasons to hate you.
Right?? Like, things I'm actually guilty of, things I should actually be ashamed about!
"Should" but "aren't," amirite?
wrote on 21 Sept 2020, 23:58 last edited by@George-K said in "I gave my dad a choice":
@Aqua-Letifer said in "I gave my dad a choice":
@George-K said in "I gave my dad a choice":
@Aqua-Letifer said in "I gave my dad a choice":
they don't hate me for my white maleness
True, dat.
There are so many other reasons to hate you.
Right?? Like, things I'm actually guilty of, things I should actually be ashamed about!
"Should" but "aren't," amirite?
Really I'm not. At all.
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wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 02:17 last edited by
I cannot believe someone would use his children so cruelly.
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wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 02:19 last edited by
But in his mind he is being a good father because he is protecting them from their grandfather's crazy.
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wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 02:29 last edited by
Something tells me the dad’s not too upset about this dick not visiting.
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But in his mind he is being a good father because he is protecting them from their grandfather's crazy.
wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 03:05 last edited by@Friday said in "I gave my dad a choice":
But in his mind he is being a good father because he is protecting them from their grandfather's crazy.
Yeah, that's the problem. That's how it happens.
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wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 03:15 last edited by
Yes it’s why I believe righteousness becomes the most important human failing after laws and mores get rid of the more obviously selfish failings through legal punishment and shame.
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Yes it’s why I believe righteousness becomes the most important human failing after laws and mores get rid of the more obviously selfish failings through legal punishment and shame.
wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 03:29 last edited by@Horace said in "I gave my dad a choice":
Yes it’s why I believe righteousness becomes the most important human failing after laws and mores get rid of the more obviously selfish failings through legal punishment and shame.
I don't think it's just that. I think Peterson is right in that we literally see different realities from one another. There's considerable overlap but there are things people see that others don't. In other words, none of us is completely exempt from being delusional. That's why some things can't even be explained to others, let alone seen. It's a far deeper problem than righteousness.
Please love yourself.
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@Horace said in "I gave my dad a choice":
Yes it’s why I believe righteousness becomes the most important human failing after laws and mores get rid of the more obviously selfish failings through legal punishment and shame.
I don't think it's just that. I think Peterson is right in that we literally see different realities from one another. There's considerable overlap but there are things people see that others don't. In other words, none of us is completely exempt from being delusional. That's why some things can't even be explained to others, let alone seen. It's a far deeper problem than righteousness.
wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 04:10 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in "I gave my dad a choice":
@Horace said in "I gave my dad a choice":
Yes it’s why I believe righteousness becomes the most important human failing after laws and mores get rid of the more obviously selfish failings through legal punishment and shame.
I don't think it's just that. I think Peterson is right in that we literally see different realities from one another. There's considerable overlap but there are things people see that others don't. In other words, none of us is completely exempt from being delusional. That's why some things can't even be explained to others, let alone seen. It's a far deeper problem than righteousness.
This. It's like two different worlds occupying the same time and space.
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wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 11:08 last edited by
Mrs. Phibes visits a Reddit place called 'Am I the asshole?', where people tell all kinds of stories of bizarre behaviour like this, and so ask the question in the title.
Sometimes the answer is 'hell, no!' and sometimes it's 'hell, yes!'.
This sort of thing isn't restricted to politics.
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Mrs. Phibes visits a Reddit place called 'Am I the asshole?', where people tell all kinds of stories of bizarre behaviour like this, and so ask the question in the title.
Sometimes the answer is 'hell, no!' and sometimes it's 'hell, yes!'.
This sort of thing isn't restricted to politics.
wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 11:33 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in "I gave my dad a choice":
Mrs. Phibes visits a Reddit place called 'Am I the asshole?',
Sounds like a ton of fun.
They probably have serious discussions about loading the toilet paper roll "over" or "under."
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@Doctor-Phibes said in "I gave my dad a choice":
Mrs. Phibes visits a Reddit place called 'Am I the asshole?',
Sounds like a ton of fun.
They probably have serious discussions about loading the toilet paper roll "over" or "under."
wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 11:43 last edited by@George-K said in "I gave my dad a choice":
@Doctor-Phibes said in "I gave my dad a choice":
Mrs. Phibes visits a Reddit place called 'Am I the asshole?',
Sounds like a ton of fun.
They probably have serious discussions about loading the toilet paper roll "over" or "under."
There's a lot of stupid family stuff - it's a window into humanity.
https://lifehacker.com/the-greatest-stories-from-the-am-i-the-asshole-subredd-1837987235
