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The AI bubble is still ahead of us

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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #6

    Yeah, but I have a self-managed account too. Everything is doing well there, but I'm looking into the possibility of some AI investments.

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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      Mag7 is pushing 40% of the S&P. Huge chuck of that valuation is AI

      There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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        #8

        TikTok had a guy saying that part of China's plan is to have the best AI platforms and keep them free - and ensure they require less infrastructure to maintain. In doing so, they would undermine the mega-investments by US AI companies - which are over inflated anyway. Between the collapse of AI and a similar implosion of bitcoin, the US economy would be in shambles for some time to come.

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        • kluursK Online
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          Of course, the long standing goodwill of our relations with Europe, Canada, South America, etc. would reduce the impact of any such plan...

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          • MikM Mik

            Yeah, but I have a self-managed account too. Everything is doing well there, but I'm looking into the possibility of some AI investments.

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            #10

            @Mik said in The AI bubble is still ahead of us:

            Yeah, but I have a self-managed account too. Everything is doing well there, but I'm looking into the possibility of some AI investments.

            I just shifted some money from AAPL to QCOM. We'll see how it does. AAPL is overvalued at this point. It hurt to part with those shares.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
              wrote on last edited by Mik
              #11

              They've been very loyal to me as well. Did really well with Garmin, too. They pivoted nicely once GPS was ubiquitous.

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • HoraceH Offline
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                Horace
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                #12

                This run in tech stocks has been nuts.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  Horace
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                  #13

                  Berkshire just pledged 10 billion in a financing round from Google to support AI infrastructure spend. Seems that while the masses are screaming about bubbles, the smart money is continuing to pour in.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    #14

                    I’ve read some interesting perspectives on why it isn’t in a bubble, both looking at PE ratios (much lower than in the dot com era) and the fact that the infrastructure companies aren’t building ahead of demand (like Cisco and the telecoms did in the dot com era). No one is laying the equivalent of dark fiber. Every gpu nvidia makes gets lit up right away.

                    Gavin Baker’s fund is interesting- he owns all these AI stocks but has a huge short position in QQQ as a hedge.

                    There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      @Mik said in The AI bubble is still ahead of us:

                      We haven't made any significant moves.

                      Well someone else manages your money. Professional money managers will do what they do, to minimize risk.

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                      @Horace said:

                      @Mik said in The AI bubble is still ahead of us:

                      We haven't made any significant moves.

                      Well someone else manages your money. Professional money managers will do what they do, to minimize risk.

                      Based on my experience with professional managers (never used one myself but I sit on the finance committee of three different foundations which use household name brokers) they usually have money in the latest thing, presumably because the latest thing is in the news and their clients will notice if they underperform AND are not in the latest thing which the client’s friends are in.

                      There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        I’ve read some interesting perspectives on why it isn’t in a bubble, both looking at PE ratios (much lower than in the dot com era) and the fact that the infrastructure companies aren’t building ahead of demand (like Cisco and the telecoms did in the dot com era). No one is laying the equivalent of dark fiber. Every gpu nvidia makes gets lit up right away.

                        Gavin Baker’s fund is interesting- he owns all these AI stocks but has a huge short position in QQQ as a hedge.

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                        @jon-nyc said:

                        I’ve read some interesting perspectives on why it isn’t in a bubble, both looking at PE ratios (much lower than in the dot com era) and the fact that the infrastructure companies aren’t building ahead of demand (like Cisco and the telecoms did in the dot com era). No one is laying the equivalent of dark fiber. Every gpu nvidia makes gets lit up right away.

                        Gavin Baker’s fund is interesting- he owns all these AI stocks but has a huge short position in QQQ as a hedge.

                        Complicated hedging strategies don't make much sense to me. If you want to be both long and short highly correlated equities in order to insure the primary bet, maybe just discard the insurance and invest a reduced amount of capital in the primary bet. But if you want to potentially profit on a massive reverse move, I guess you'd have to do something more complicated.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          @Horace said:

                          @Mik said in The AI bubble is still ahead of us:

                          We haven't made any significant moves.

                          Well someone else manages your money. Professional money managers will do what they do, to minimize risk.

                          Based on my experience with professional managers (never used one myself but I sit on the finance committee of three different foundations which use household name brokers) they usually have money in the latest thing, presumably because the latest thing is in the news and their clients will notice if they underperform AND are not in the latest thing which the client’s friends are in.

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                          @jon-nyc said:

                          @Horace said:

                          @Mik said in The AI bubble is still ahead of us:

                          We haven't made any significant moves.

                          Well someone else manages your money. Professional money managers will do what they do, to minimize risk.

                          Based on my experience with professional managers (never used one myself but I sit on the finance committee of three different foundations which use household name brokers) they usually have money in the latest thing, presumably because the latest thing is in the news and their clients will notice if they underperform AND are not in the latest thing which the client’s friends are in.

                          Being "in" an investment doesn't say much. But they're almost certainly not "concentrated" in meme investments, unless they run a very specialized service.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            @jon-nyc said:

                            I’ve read some interesting perspectives on why it isn’t in a bubble, both looking at PE ratios (much lower than in the dot com era) and the fact that the infrastructure companies aren’t building ahead of demand (like Cisco and the telecoms did in the dot com era). No one is laying the equivalent of dark fiber. Every gpu nvidia makes gets lit up right away.

                            Gavin Baker’s fund is interesting- he owns all these AI stocks but has a huge short position in QQQ as a hedge.

                            Complicated hedging strategies don't make much sense to me. If you want to be both long and short highly correlated equities in order to insure the primary bet, maybe just discard the insurance and invest a reduced amount of capital in the primary bet. But if you want to potentially profit on a massive reverse move, I guess you'd have to do something more complicated.

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                            jon-nyc
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                            @Horace said:

                            @jon-nyc said:

                            I’ve read some interesting perspectives on why it isn’t in a bubble, both looking at PE ratios (much lower than in the dot com era) and the fact that the infrastructure companies aren’t building ahead of demand (like Cisco and the telecoms did in the dot com era). No one is laying the equivalent of dark fiber. Every gpu nvidia makes gets lit up right away.

                            Gavin Baker’s fund is interesting- he owns all these AI stocks but has a huge short position in QQQ as a hedge.

                            Complicated hedging strategies don't make much sense to me. If you want to be both long and short highly correlated equities in order to insure the primary bet, maybe just discard the insurance and invest a reduced amount of capital in the primary bet. But if you want to potentially profit on a massive reverse move, I guess you'd have to do something more complicated.

                            The short gives you a lot more money to invest. You’re betting that the AI companies will compose a larger and larger percentage of the tech stock universe, which could pay off regardless of what happens to the overall market. It’s actually how hedge funds got their name.

                            There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                              Horace
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                              As good a place as any to put this.

                              https://seekingalpha.com/news/4599518-citron-research-founder-andrew-left-found-guilty-of-securities-fraud

                              Community notes remains undefeated and all that.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                @Horace said:

                                @jon-nyc said:

                                I’ve read some interesting perspectives on why it isn’t in a bubble, both looking at PE ratios (much lower than in the dot com era) and the fact that the infrastructure companies aren’t building ahead of demand (like Cisco and the telecoms did in the dot com era). No one is laying the equivalent of dark fiber. Every gpu nvidia makes gets lit up right away.

                                Gavin Baker’s fund is interesting- he owns all these AI stocks but has a huge short position in QQQ as a hedge.

                                Complicated hedging strategies don't make much sense to me. If you want to be both long and short highly correlated equities in order to insure the primary bet, maybe just discard the insurance and invest a reduced amount of capital in the primary bet. But if you want to potentially profit on a massive reverse move, I guess you'd have to do something more complicated.

                                The short gives you a lot more money to invest. You’re betting that the AI companies will compose a larger and larger percentage of the tech stock universe, which could pay off regardless of what happens to the overall market. It’s actually how hedge funds got their name.

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                                @jon-nyc said:

                                @Horace said:

                                @jon-nyc said:

                                I’ve read some interesting perspectives on why it isn’t in a bubble, both looking at PE ratios (much lower than in the dot com era) and the fact that the infrastructure companies aren’t building ahead of demand (like Cisco and the telecoms did in the dot com era). No one is laying the equivalent of dark fiber. Every gpu nvidia makes gets lit up right away.

                                Gavin Baker’s fund is interesting- he owns all these AI stocks but has a huge short position in QQQ as a hedge.

                                Complicated hedging strategies don't make much sense to me. If you want to be both long and short highly correlated equities in order to insure the primary bet, maybe just discard the insurance and invest a reduced amount of capital in the primary bet. But if you want to potentially profit on a massive reverse move, I guess you'd have to do something more complicated.

                                The short gives you a lot more money to invest. You’re betting that the AI companies will compose a larger and larger percentage of the tech stock universe, which could pay off regardless of what happens to the overall market. It’s actually how hedge funds got their name.

                                I had ChatGPT explain it to me. The reason I was confused is that it's not really an insured long on the AI stocks. It's a pairs trade where the investor is betting the AI stocks will outperform the broader QQQ, regardless of the overall direction of either. I guess that's a "hedge" by some other definition than the one I'm familiar with. I know it as a pairs trade, or arbitrage.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  NVidia CEO reminds the world that large portions of the masses are insane:

                                  https://seekingalpha.com/news/4600296-nvidia-ceo-says-only-some-crazy-person-fails-to-see-roi-from-ai-investments-report

                                  "Remember last year when we were together, the rhetoric and the narrative around the investment were, 'What's the ROI?'" he added. "Give me one example of some crazy person saying that now. They're going to sound insane."

                                  This notion that AI has no ROI is still abundant in online stock discussions. Lots of people can't disentangle their hatred of a new technology from a sober assessment of its economic potential.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    There's also abundant breath-holding from people in computer game discussions about how they'll never purchase a game that used AI in its development. It's interesting watching a social movement that is so obviously a flash in the pan, participated in by people who are only telling on themselves that they're afraid of change, and prefer to scream at the clouds rather than accept it.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      There's also abundant breath-holding from people in computer game discussions about how they'll never purchase a game that used AI in its development. It's interesting watching a social movement that is so obviously a flash in the pan, participated in by people who are only telling on themselves that they're afraid of change, and prefer to scream at the clouds rather than accept it.

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                                      @Horace said:

                                      There's also abundant breath-holding from people in computer game discussions about how they'll never purchase a game that used AI in its development.

                                      If the cost of video cards and memory continue to rise, they may not be able to afford to play it.

                                      I was only joking

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                                        Is necessary to have high resolution video playing at a high frame rate to enjoy computer games?

                                        Beyond 30 frames per second, is there a practical difference other than bragging rights?

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                                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                          Is necessary to have high resolution video playing at a high frame rate to enjoy computer games?

                                          Beyond 30 frames per second, is there a practical difference other than bragging rights?

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                                          @Axtremus said:

                                          Beyond 30 frames per second, is there a practical difference other than bragging rights?

                                          When did you last play a computer game, 1998?

                                          I was only joking

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