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    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cd9kqz1yyxkt

    BBC director general and CEO of news resign.

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    • MikM Offline
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      I think the world is starting to understand the level of deceit that has been used against Trump. God knows there’s plenty to legitimately criticize, but a whole lot of this was just engineered to degrade him untruthfully.

      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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      • MikM Mik

        I think the world is starting to understand the level of deceit that has been used against Trump. God knows there’s plenty to legitimately criticize, but a whole lot of this was just engineered to degrade him untruthfully.

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        @Mik

        I applaud BBC management in accepting full culpability in this instance.

        I agree with you though that media sources have no need to engineer Trump’s downgrading. Trump does it competently and effectively all on his own whenever he opens his mouth or posts on his Truth Social platform.

        No need therefore to make up stories or distort the facts surrounding Trump.

        Elbows up!

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        • HoraceH Offline
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          They were reporting their emotional truth.

          Education is extremely important.

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            Trump(CF) avoided taxes for a decade, and I recall paid something like $700 one year when he paid a porn star more to keep stum. A convicted felon, proven liar, friend of Epstein, encourager of the riots; he really doesn't care, he pays his lawyers.
            42 million of your citizens going hungry, the administration in chaos, Obamacare going, going

            Well on the way to being the worst ever elected President I'd say something about folk getting what they deserve, but living in this glass house I ought not throw stones.

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            • MikM Offline
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              God, you buy every lie about him.

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                Horace
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                The Biden DOJ took it easy on Trump's obvious tax evasion felonies, because going after one's political opponents with lawfare is a recent invention of the Trump administration. Though admittedly the Nazis did it, too.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  AndyD
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                  Well I can't be positive about his friendship with Epstein as it's quite possible he was just using people to his own ends, as he does.
                  But as for the rest 😄

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                    I can name two ex-princes that are lower on the human virtue and intelligence ladder than Trump is, and that's based on just what we actually know about all of them. Trump's an open book, flayed alive by an adversarial culture, while the royals are protected and revered by their inbred white trash country. Turns out, Jimmy Seville wasn't an anomaly, he was just one of them. It's really sad.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      I can name two ex-princes that are lower on the human virtue and intelligence ladder than Trump is, and that's based on just what we actually know about all of them. Trump's an open book, flayed alive by an adversarial culture, while the royals are protected and revered by their inbred white trash country. Turns out, Jimmy Seville wasn't an anomaly, he was just one of them. It's really sad.

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                      @Horace said in Change at the beeb:

                      revered by their inbred white trash country

                      I think the reverence has taken a bit of a pounding of late. And not in a good way. The establishment is still revoltingly obsequious, but regular folk not so much. At least, in my little liberal family bubble. People like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage are obviously still going to toady up to the inbred Hanoverians.

                      I was only joking

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                        @Horace said in Change at the beeb:

                        revered by their inbred white trash country

                        I think the reverence has taken a bit of a pounding of late. And not in a good way. The establishment is still revoltingly obsequious, but regular folk not so much. At least, in my little liberal family bubble. People like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage are obviously still going to toady up to the inbred Hanoverians.

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                        @Doctor-Phibes

                        People like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage are obviously still going to toady up to the inbred Hanoverians.

                        I blame John of Gaunt’s bastard progeny that came to make up the House of Beaufort for all the personal shortcomings of today’s British royals. It all started with Margaret Beaufort marrying Edmund Tudor then giving birth to the future usurper, Henry Tudor.

                        Elbows up!

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                          @Doctor-Phibes

                          People like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage are obviously still going to toady up to the inbred Hanoverians.

                          I blame John of Gaunt’s bastard progeny that came to make up the House of Beaufort for all the personal shortcomings of today’s British royals. It all started with Margaret Beaufort marrying Edmund Tudor then giving birth to the future usurper, Henry Tudor.

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                          @Renauda said in Change at the beeb:

                          @Doctor-Phibes

                          People like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage are obviously still going to toady up to the inbred Hanoverians.

                          I blame John of Gaunt’s bastard progeny that came to make up the House of Beaufort for all the personal shortcomings of today’s British royals. It all started with Margaret Beaufort marrying Edmund Tudor then giving birth to the future usurper, Henry Tudor.

                          We should never have opened the border to Wales. Allowing sheep-shaggers to run the country, I ask you....

                          I was only joking

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                            @Renauda said in Change at the beeb:

                            @Doctor-Phibes

                            People like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage are obviously still going to toady up to the inbred Hanoverians.

                            I blame John of Gaunt’s bastard progeny that came to make up the House of Beaufort for all the personal shortcomings of today’s British royals. It all started with Margaret Beaufort marrying Edmund Tudor then giving birth to the future usurper, Henry Tudor.

                            We should never have opened the border to Wales. Allowing sheep-shaggers to run the country, I ask you....

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                            @Doctor-Phibes

                            Yes it opened the gates to the unthinkable.

                            You know those Romanovs were Russian in name only, in fact by 1914 all European royals looked like Hohenzollerns! George V, Nikolai II and Wilhelm II could have passed as triplets from the same brood. The lot all bad eggs if you ask me. Some of the others even had the cheek to change their family name from Battenberg to Mountbatten in an effort to hide their true identities. All goes back to the House of Lancaster and its bastard progeny, those damned Beauforts.

                            Bonaparte had them all figured out over a hundred years prior.

                            Elbows up!

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                              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                The Panorama editors ought not have run the two phrases together as one, no doubt.
                                Trumps reaction, a threatened one billion lawsuit. He has the morals of an alley cat; convicted of sexual assault (and accused by some 30 other people of much worse), convicted of tax fraud, of falsifying business accounts.

                                Yes the UK needs to further change our monarchy, House of Lords and honours systems. It is a centuries old institution that was imposed by force.

                                You are truly privileged in the USA to have a fair electoral system that includes the collective choice of a person worthy to lead.
                                We don't, so the UK recently had Brown, Johnson, Truss, Sunak, none of whom won a general election yet were PM's.

                                In an obscure poetry book called Tide Lines (1988) acquired recently, the introduction has a quote by probably the most famous person & leader then living; the eloquent words go to the heart of things:

                                "I feel inspired to say this to you... surely the time has come for our society to realise that the future of humanity depends as never before, on our collective moral choice... humanity must make a moral about-face... Ladies and gentlemen, it is for you now to take up this noble challenge"

                                Forty years on, how are we doing with that collective moral choice?

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                                  The Panorama editors ought not have run the two phrases together as one, no doubt.
                                  Trumps reaction, a threatened one billion lawsuit. He has the morals of an alley cat; convicted of sexual assault (and accused by some 30 other people of much worse), convicted of tax fraud, of falsifying business accounts.

                                  Yes the UK needs to further change our monarchy, House of Lords and honours systems. It is a centuries old institution that was imposed by force.

                                  You are truly privileged in the USA to have a fair electoral system that includes the collective choice of a person worthy to lead.
                                  We don't, so the UK recently had Brown, Johnson, Truss, Sunak, none of whom won a general election yet were PM's.

                                  In an obscure poetry book called Tide Lines (1988) acquired recently, the introduction has a quote by probably the most famous person & leader then living; the eloquent words go to the heart of things:

                                  "I feel inspired to say this to you... surely the time has come for our society to realise that the future of humanity depends as never before, on our collective moral choice... humanity must make a moral about-face... Ladies and gentlemen, it is for you now to take up this noble challenge"

                                  Forty years on, how are we doing with that collective moral choice?

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                                  @AndyD said in Change at the beeb:

                                  You are truly privileged in the USA to have a fair electoral system that includes the collective choice of a person worthy to lead.

                                  Funny I often times think we’d be better off under a parliamentary system. It’s probably a ‘grass is greener’ thing.

                                  If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                    @AndyD said in Change at the beeb:

                                    You are truly privileged in the USA to have a fair electoral system that includes the collective choice of a person worthy to lead.

                                    Funny I often times think we’d be better off under a parliamentary system. It’s probably a ‘grass is greener’ thing.

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                                    Mik
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                                    @jon-nyc I know exactly what you mean. At least the PMs are chosen by those who have already been elected and empowered to make decisions rather than "Oh, he has such nice hair".

                                    I feel similarly about our senators who used to be chosen by state legislatures. The advent of (anti)social media only reinforces my feeling of the inmates running the asylum.

                                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                      @jon-nyc I know exactly what you mean. At least the PMs are chosen by those who have already been elected and empowered to make decisions rather than "Oh, he has such nice hair".

                                      I feel similarly about our senators who used to be chosen by state legislatures. The advent of (anti)social media only reinforces my feeling of the inmates running the asylum.

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                                      @Mik said in Change at the beeb:

                                      "Oh, he has such nice hair"

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                                      I was only joking

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