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Charlie Kirk and George Floyd

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    The other thing they have in common is the way they were sacralized in death by their respective tribes and were Exhibit A in a false narrative pushed by their tribesmen.

    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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      sorry which false narrative was propagated about Kirk's death? or were you being sarcastic.

      Education is extremely important.

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        We actually talked about it. That ‘the left’ is responsible for a disproportionate amount of deaths from terrorist attacks.

        Remember ? The DoJ even took down its own conflicting information last month. Just like the FBI under Biden (or maybe Obama) made ‘race-on-race’ crime data harder to find.

        If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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          That's a very specific claim that is only slightly more rhetorically viable than just saying that the fever pitch existential threat messaging can contribute to "stochastic violence". The stats around assigning terrorism and violence to one tribe or another are often subjective anyway.

          Education is extremely important.

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            You can check their work.

            https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states

            If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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              No thanks. Like I said, it's a very specific claim that I'm sure can be pedantically dunked on. It's not the central claim, which is that the fever pitch rhetoric of the left can obviously lead to extreme actions. I don't focus on that point because you can frame lots of political rhetoric as something that would lead to extreme actions if taken seriously. But I'm comfortable in my judgment that the messaging about fascism and existential threats against our very democracy - totally mainstream messaging - raises the temperature quite a lot.

              Education is extremely important.

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                Glenn and John discuss the parallel.

                Link to video

                Education is extremely important.

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                  I listened and think they basically missed the boat. The parallels aren’t so much with the two individuals so much as the respective tribes’ posthumous treatment of them and how they fit into narratives larger than themselves.

                  But John and Glen ended up mostly discussing Kirk himself rather than comparing them. Haven’t read the TCW piece but I should find it.

                  If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                    It strains even vaguely coherent rhetorical credibility to equate the response to the Floyd murder with the response to the Kirk murder. A few pundits fumbling around with a statistical argument about left wing violence outstripping right wing violence is a small detail of the broader conversation. And the impact of the broader conversation is obviously incomparable between the two, in any case.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      It strains even vaguely coherent rhetorical credibility to equate the response to the Floyd murder with the response to the Kirk murder. A few pundits fumbling around with a statistical argument about left wing violence outstripping right wing violence is a small detail of the broader conversation. And the impact of the broader conversation is obviously incomparable between the two, in any case.

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                      @Horace said in Charlie Kirk and George Floyd:

                      It strains even vaguely coherent rhetorical credibility to equate the response to the Floyd murder with the response to the Kirk murder.

                      Yeah most people would find similarities instead like I did above and, presumably, William’s did in his Atlantic piece.

                      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                        "The right's George Floyd" is a smuggled in equation, because words mean things.

                        Education is extremely important.

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