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  • AxtremusA Away
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    Axtremus
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    #2

    What, exactly, do you believe other people have gotten wrong about Kirk’s opinion on the Second Amendment, and how, exactly, do you believe they would “change their minds” by reading the “full quote”?

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      jon-nyc
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      #3

      The part about protecting yourself from a tyrannical government has been rendered moot by technology so in that sense I’d quibble but it’s at least historically accurate.

      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        #4

        I doubt anyone is really misunderstanding him so much as pointing out the irony. He thought the risk we all take (including, perhaps not consciously, himself) in a society full of guns was a juice worth the squeeze.

        If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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          Horace
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          Most people using the quote to dunk on him are just using it as a get out of empathy free card. According to those people, anybody who thinks guns should be legal, even if it does increase possibilities of random violence, gets no grace if they are victims.

          Meanwhile, Kirk's point is a valid and reasonable one, and would not disqualify him from his own right to personal safety, in the mind of anybody with any moral credibility.

          I was never much familiar with Kirk, but so far, the dunks trying to paint him as a raving lunatic have been unpersuasive. For a guy with as many thousands of hours of tape out there, I assume he was pretty good at finding reasonable but third-rail perspectives and demonstrating that they can be argued in good faith. Nothing pisses off the midwit left more than that. Clearly, what he was doing was working. I wish the best to his organization as it moves forward from this.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            For me he was one of those myriad political influencers that I never paid attention to except for when one of his clips went viral. Since 9/10 such clips have been of him making nice conversation with people who disagreed with him. Prior to 9/10 they were of him OWNING or DESTORYING the libs.

            If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              For me he was one of those myriad political influencers that I never paid attention to except for when one of his clips went viral. Since 9/10 such clips have been of him making nice conversation with people who disagreed with him. Prior to 9/10 they were of him OWNING or DESTORYING the libs.

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              @jon-nyc said in Kirk on the Second Amendment:

              For me he was one of those myriad political influencers that I never paid attention to except for when one of his clips went viral. Since 9/10 such clips have been of him making nice conversation with people who disagreed with him. Prior to 9/10 they were of him OWNING or DESTORYING the libs.

              One can "own" or "destroy" via civil conversation. In fact, that can be the most viral way to do it. Jordan Peterson's ascent was based mostly on that.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • MikM Away
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                That's rather the genesis of TNCR and WTF.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  Yes, I did not really ever hear of him. I think my connection to him, though I did not know it was him, was the meme's that people would post here with "Prove me wrong" line. I did not know the original story behind that or who the guy was.

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                    Yes, I did not really ever hear of him. I think my connection to him, though I did not know it was him, was the meme's that people would post here with "Prove me wrong" line. I did not know the original story behind that or who the guy was.

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                    Renauda
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                    @taiwan_girl

                    I’d never heard of him until last Wednesday afternoon.

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                      @taiwan_girl

                      I’d never heard of him until last Wednesday afternoon.

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                      @Renauda said in Kirk on the Second Amendment:

                      @taiwan_girl

                      I’d never heard of him until last Wednesday afternoon.

                      One week ago, Turning Point had 900 college chapters. Since the assassination? They’ve received 32,000 chapter requests.

                      His Social Media accounts have received over 3,000,000 new followers, and all of the videos of his debates and speeches are getting unreal viewership numbers… And many people’s opinions about him are changing about Kirk and his stances compared to the characterization of him and his views.

                      Way to shut him up, Tyler…

                      The Brad

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                        @taiwan_girl

                        I’d never heard of him until last Wednesday afternoon.

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                        @Renauda said in Kirk on the Second Amendment:

                        @taiwan_girl

                        I’d never heard of him until last Wednesday afternoon.

                        I vaguely knew the name but I had no real idea who he was. There's a bunch of these people I hear about from time to time, mostly from other people praising or complaining about them.

                        Obviously it's an awful tragedy for his family, but I've been struck by how many people I know on Facebook who are commenting on this monumental event who I suspect also had no idea who he was before last week.

                        I was only joking

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          @Renauda said in Kirk on the Second Amendment:

                          @taiwan_girl

                          I’d never heard of him until last Wednesday afternoon.

                          I vaguely knew the name but I had no real idea who he was. There's a bunch of these people I hear about from time to time, mostly from other people praising or complaining about them.

                          Obviously it's an awful tragedy for his family, but I've been struck by how many people I know on Facebook who are commenting on this monumental event who I suspect also had no idea who he was before last week.

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                          @Doctor-Phibes

                          I do admit though that in when I saw a picture of his face posted in the news, it was immediately familiar. No idea from when or from what source. It was just familiar. Possible that he was on an interview or member of a panel discussion I watched sometime in the past number of years.

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                            @Renauda said in Kirk on the Second Amendment:

                            @taiwan_girl

                            I’d never heard of him until last Wednesday afternoon.

                            I vaguely knew the name but I had no real idea who he was. There's a bunch of these people I hear about from time to time, mostly from other people praising or complaining about them.

                            Obviously it's an awful tragedy for his family, but I've been struck by how many people I know on Facebook who are commenting on this monumental event who I suspect also had no idea who he was before last week.

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