We have sort of memory-holed this
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We’ve had this argument before. It will take at least a decades worth of excess death data to tell the tale.
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We already have decades of excess death data.
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@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
We already have decades of excess death data.
Not since 2020…
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@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
We already have decades of excess death data.
Not since 2020…
wrote 12 days ago last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
We already have decades of excess death data.
Not since 2020…
Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?
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@Klaus said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
You have to consider how many years of good life would most of those 1.2m have had without COVID? For some, it was really tragic. But for many, COVID was just the last push for a body that was close to death anyway.
Yeah, you can apply a discount factor but it’s still a big number. 250k were under 65. More military-age men died of Covid than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. The latter gets mentioned. Not the former. He has a point.
wrote 12 days ago last edited by@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@Klaus said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
You have to consider how many years of good life would most of those 1.2m have had without COVID? For some, it was really tragic. But for many, COVID was just the last push for a body that was close to death anyway.
Yeah, you can apply a discount factor but it’s still a big number. 250k were under 65. More military-age men died of Covid than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. The latter gets mentioned. Not the former. He has a point.
True, but by this measure we have talked about 9/11 way too much.
Our attention differs by how a person dies. The death of a soldier or a fireman on duty, or a person dying from a terror attack, will always draw more attention than somebody silently dying in a hospital. Is that a good thing? I don't know. I think there is some reasonable logic behind it. What do you think?
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@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
We already have decades of excess death data.
Not since 2020…
Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?
wrote 12 days ago last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
We already have decades of excess death data.
Not since 2020…
Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?
They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
We already have decades of excess death data.
Not since 2020…
Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?
They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.
wrote 12 days ago last edited by Doctor Phibes@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
We already have decades of excess death data.
Not since 2020…
Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?
They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.
Blithely talking about 'moving deaths up a few years' seems a slightly odd way to refer to it. Somebody dying 5-10 years before their time isn't just a minor concern, particularly if it's me we're talking about.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
We already have decades of excess death data.
Not since 2020…
Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?
They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.
wrote 11 days ago last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
We already have decades of excess death data.
Not since 2020…
Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?
They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.
I don’t think we need to see data to know that the people who died of Covid would have eventually died of something else.
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@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
We already have decades of excess death data.
Not since 2020…
Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?
They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.
I don’t think we need to see data to know that the people who died of Covid would have eventually died of something else.
wrote 11 days ago last edited by@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
We already have decades of excess death data.
Not since 2020…
Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?
They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.
I don’t think we need to see data to know that the people who died of Covid would have eventually died of something else.
We do need to have that data to grasp how much COVID really shortened lives. Was that 35 year old that died somebody that would have lived into their 80s? Or was it somebody that we would have read about in 2024 that died in a car accident that may have been caused by an undiagnosed heart condition?
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@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
We already have decades of excess death data.
Not since 2020…
Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?
They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.
I don’t think we need to see data to know that the people who died of Covid would have eventually died of something else.
We do need to have that data to grasp how much COVID really shortened lives. Was that 35 year old that died somebody that would have lived into their 80s? Or was it somebody that we would have read about in 2024 that died in a car accident that may have been caused by an undiagnosed heart condition?
wrote 11 days ago last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
We already have decades of excess death data.
Not since 2020…
Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?
They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.
I don’t think we need to see data to know that the people who died of Covid would have eventually died of something else.
We do need to have that data to grasp how much COVID really shortened lives. Was that 35 year old that died somebody that would have lived into their 80s? Or was it somebody that we would have read about in 2024 that died in a car accident that may have been caused by an undiagnosed heart condition?
Don't forget the people who died in car accidents on their way to the vaccination clinic - did they die due to Covid, or dangerous roads, or because of the vaccine?????
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Apart from the deaths, there are plenty of people suffering with various after-effects, long Covid and what-have-you. I know quite a few people who've struggled.
wrote 11 days ago last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
Apart from the deaths, there are plenty of people suffering with various after-effects, long Covid and what-have-you. I know quite a few people who've struggled.
I remember that @George-K daughter had/has it.
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@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
@jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:
We already have decades of excess death data.
Not since 2020…
Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?
They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.
I don’t think we need to see data to know that the people who died of Covid would have eventually died of something else.
We do need to have that data to grasp how much COVID really shortened lives. Was that 35 year old that died somebody that would have lived into their 80s? Or was it somebody that we would have read about in 2024 that died in a car accident that may have been caused by an undiagnosed heart condition?
Don't forget the people who died in car accidents on their way to the vaccination clinic - did they die due to Covid, or dangerous roads, or because of the vaccine?????
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