Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse

The New Coffee Room

  1. TNCR
  2. General Discussion
  3. We have sort of memory-holed this

We have sort of memory-holed this

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved General Discussion
29 Posts 9 Posters 278 Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • J jon-nyc
    22 May 2025, 01:50

    By the way your misconception of Scott Alexander is on the order of @Jolly blowing off the Manhattan Institute because of the word ‘Manhattan’ in its name, despite the fact that Chistopher Rufo, Glenn Lowry, and Coleman Hughes all work there. Maybe you’ll get a more neutral exposure to him at some point.

    H Online
    H Online
    Horace
    wrote on 22 May 2025, 01:52 last edited by
    #15

    @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

    By the way your misconception of Scott Alexander is on the order of Jolly blowing off the Manhattan Institute because of the word ‘Manhattan’ despite the fact that Rufo, Lowry, and Coleman Hughes all work there. Maybe you get a lore neutral exposure to him at some point.

    I knew you'd push back against my claims of him being deeply tribal, but there are micro-tribes, and he fits a pattern. It's ok. I believe you that your twitter feed never mentions COVID deaths. That has become the twitter reality, and Mr Alexander is deeply troubled by it.

    he's right that the death toll of COVID is like 100,000 Columbine massacres. He is exactly right.

    Education is extremely important.

    1 Reply Last reply
    • J Offline
      J Offline
      jon-nyc
      wrote on 22 May 2025, 01:56 last edited by jon-nyc
      #16

      I was being literal. I didn’t expect you to be convinced by my post, rather I hope you ‘discover’ him some day in a more emotionally neutral context.

      They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

      H 1 Reply Last reply 22 May 2025, 02:11
      • J jon-nyc
        22 May 2025, 01:56

        I was being literal. I didn’t expect you to be convinced by my post, rather I hope you ‘discover’ him some day in a more emotionally neutral context.

        H Online
        H Online
        Horace
        wrote on 22 May 2025, 02:11 last edited by
        #17

        @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

        I was being literal. I didn’t expect you to be convinced by my post, rather I hope you ‘discover’ him some day in a more emotionally neutral context.

        I am not completely unfamiliar with him. In fact, you and I have discussed him here before, where his writings revealed him to easily slide into a contemptuous, snide mode against people who are probably a lot smarter and objectively more accomplished as intellectuals than he is. But that is neither here nor there. I am sure he is a very successful public intellectual influencer as these things go.

        His rhetoric in this case, remains objectively cheap and emotionally manipulative, motivated by his perception that people aren't sad enough about COVID, and that they are too sad about certain aspects of the reaction. So he's going to do something about that. Voila, COVID is like 100,000 Columbine massacres. Well played, Mr Alexander.

        Education is extremely important.

        1 Reply Last reply
        • L Offline
          L Offline
          LuFins Dad
          wrote on 22 May 2025, 02:22 last edited by
          #18

          We’ve had this argument before. It will take at least a decades worth of excess death data to tell the tale.

          1 Reply Last reply
          • J Offline
            J Offline
            jon-nyc
            wrote on 22 May 2025, 02:34 last edited by
            #19

            We already have decades of excess death data.

            They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

            L 1 Reply Last reply 22 May 2025, 02:49
            • J jon-nyc
              22 May 2025, 02:34

              We already have decades of excess death data.

              L Offline
              L Offline
              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 22 May 2025, 02:49 last edited by
              #20

              @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

              We already have decades of excess death data.

              Not since 2020…

              D 1 Reply Last reply 22 May 2025, 10:20
              • L LuFins Dad
                22 May 2025, 02:49

                @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                We already have decades of excess death data.

                Not since 2020…

                D Offline
                D Offline
                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on 22 May 2025, 10:20 last edited by
                #21

                @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                We already have decades of excess death data.

                Not since 2020…

                Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?

                I was only joking

                L 1 Reply Last reply 22 May 2025, 11:16
                • J jon-nyc
                  22 May 2025, 01:26

                  @Klaus said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                  You have to consider how many years of good life would most of those 1.2m have had without COVID? For some, it was really tragic. But for many, COVID was just the last push for a body that was close to death anyway.

                  Yeah, you can apply a discount factor but it’s still a big number. 250k were under 65. More military-age men died of Covid than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. The latter gets mentioned. Not the former. He has a point.

                  K Offline
                  K Offline
                  Klaus
                  wrote on 22 May 2025, 10:57 last edited by
                  #22

                  @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                  @Klaus said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                  You have to consider how many years of good life would most of those 1.2m have had without COVID? For some, it was really tragic. But for many, COVID was just the last push for a body that was close to death anyway.

                  Yeah, you can apply a discount factor but it’s still a big number. 250k were under 65. More military-age men died of Covid than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. The latter gets mentioned. Not the former. He has a point.

                  True, but by this measure we have talked about 9/11 way too much.

                  Our attention differs by how a person dies. The death of a soldier or a fireman on duty, or a person dying from a terror attack, will always draw more attention than somebody silently dying in a hospital. Is that a good thing? I don't know. I think there is some reasonable logic behind it. What do you think?

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  • D Doctor Phibes
                    22 May 2025, 10:20

                    @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                    @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                    We already have decades of excess death data.

                    Not since 2020…

                    Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?

                    L Offline
                    L Offline
                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 22 May 2025, 11:16 last edited by
                    #23

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                    @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                    @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                    We already have decades of excess death data.

                    Not since 2020…

                    Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?

                    They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.

                    D J 2 Replies Last reply 22 May 2025, 11:30
                    • L LuFins Dad
                      22 May 2025, 11:16

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                      @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                      We already have decades of excess death data.

                      Not since 2020…

                      Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?

                      They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.

                      D Offline
                      D Offline
                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on 22 May 2025, 11:30 last edited by Doctor Phibes
                      #24

                      @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                      @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                      We already have decades of excess death data.

                      Not since 2020…

                      Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?

                      They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.

                      Blithely talking about 'moving deaths up a few years' seems a slightly odd way to refer to it. Somebody dying 5-10 years before their time isn't just a minor concern, particularly if it's me we're talking about.

                      I was only joking

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      • L LuFins Dad
                        22 May 2025, 11:16

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                        @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                        We already have decades of excess death data.

                        Not since 2020…

                        Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?

                        They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.

                        J Offline
                        J Offline
                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 22 May 2025, 12:44 last edited by
                        #25

                        @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                        @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                        We already have decades of excess death data.

                        Not since 2020…

                        Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?

                        They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.

                        I don’t think we need to see data to know that the people who died of Covid would have eventually died of something else.

                        They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

                        L 1 Reply Last reply 22 May 2025, 13:19
                        • J jon-nyc
                          22 May 2025, 12:44

                          @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                          @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                          @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                          We already have decades of excess death data.

                          Not since 2020…

                          Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?

                          They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.

                          I don’t think we need to see data to know that the people who died of Covid would have eventually died of something else.

                          L Offline
                          L Offline
                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on 22 May 2025, 13:19 last edited by
                          #26

                          @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                          @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                          @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                          @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                          We already have decades of excess death data.

                          Not since 2020…

                          Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?

                          They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.

                          I don’t think we need to see data to know that the people who died of Covid would have eventually died of something else.

                          We do need to have that data to grasp how much COVID really shortened lives. Was that 35 year old that died somebody that would have lived into their 80s? Or was it somebody that we would have read about in 2024 that died in a car accident that may have been caused by an undiagnosed heart condition?

                          D 1 Reply Last reply 22 May 2025, 13:26
                          • L LuFins Dad
                            22 May 2025, 13:19

                            @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                            @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                            We already have decades of excess death data.

                            Not since 2020…

                            Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?

                            They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.

                            I don’t think we need to see data to know that the people who died of Covid would have eventually died of something else.

                            We do need to have that data to grasp how much COVID really shortened lives. Was that 35 year old that died somebody that would have lived into their 80s? Or was it somebody that we would have read about in 2024 that died in a car accident that may have been caused by an undiagnosed heart condition?

                            D Offline
                            D Offline
                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on 22 May 2025, 13:26 last edited by
                            #27

                            @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                            @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                            @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                            We already have decades of excess death data.

                            Not since 2020…

                            Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?

                            They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.

                            I don’t think we need to see data to know that the people who died of Covid would have eventually died of something else.

                            We do need to have that data to grasp how much COVID really shortened lives. Was that 35 year old that died somebody that would have lived into their 80s? Or was it somebody that we would have read about in 2024 that died in a car accident that may have been caused by an undiagnosed heart condition?

                            Don't forget the people who died in car accidents on their way to the vaccination clinic - did they die due to Covid, or dangerous roads, or because of the vaccine?????

                            I was only joking

                            L 1 Reply Last reply 22 May 2025, 19:00
                            • D Doctor Phibes
                              22 May 2025, 01:41

                              Apart from the deaths, there are plenty of people suffering with various after-effects, long Covid and what-have-you. I know quite a few people who've struggled.

                              taiwan_girlT Offline
                              taiwan_girlT Offline
                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote on 22 May 2025, 17:46 last edited by
                              #28

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                              Apart from the deaths, there are plenty of people suffering with various after-effects, long Covid and what-have-you. I know quite a few people who've struggled.

                              I remember that @George-K daughter had/has it.

                              1 Reply Last reply
                              • D Doctor Phibes
                                22 May 2025, 13:26

                                @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                                @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                                @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                                @LuFins-Dad said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                                @jon-nyc said in We have sort of memory-holed this:

                                We already have decades of excess death data.

                                Not since 2020…

                                Why can't we use the decades prior to 2020?

                                They are irrelevant without having the post-Covid numbers. If COVID simply moved the deaths of some of these people up a few years or not, you need to see if there was a drop off in mortality in the years following.

                                I don’t think we need to see data to know that the people who died of Covid would have eventually died of something else.

                                We do need to have that data to grasp how much COVID really shortened lives. Was that 35 year old that died somebody that would have lived into their 80s? Or was it somebody that we would have read about in 2024 that died in a car accident that may have been caused by an undiagnosed heart condition?

                                Don't forget the people who died in car accidents on their way to the vaccination clinic - did they die due to Covid, or dangerous roads, or because of the vaccine?????

                                L Offline
                                L Offline
                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on 22 May 2025, 19:00 last edited by
                                #29
                                This post is deleted!
                                1 Reply Last reply
                                Reply
                                • Reply as topic
                                Log in to reply
                                • Oldest to Newest
                                • Newest to Oldest
                                • Most Votes

                                24/29

                                22 May 2025, 11:30


                                • Login

                                • Don't have an account? Register

                                • Login or register to search.
                                24 out of 29
                                • First post
                                  24/29
                                  Last post
                                0
                                • Categories
                                • Recent
                                • Tags
                                • Popular
                                • Users
                                • Groups