El Salvador declines to return Garcia
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This is going to get ugly. Uglier I should say.
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wrote 20 days ago last edited by Axtremus
If left unchecked, some day this sort of damage due to wanton disregard of due process may be inflicted on innocent American citizens too. This needs to be taken seriously and rectified not only as a matter of law but also as matter of national character.
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It’s even worse than that. Trump said he wants to send US citizens down there too.
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"How can I return him to the United States? Like if I smuggle him into the United States? Of course I'm not going to do it. The question is preposterous," Bukele said when asked if he'd return Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
That is the context of El Salvador "declining to return Garcia". They are saying that, since America officially does not want him back, El Salvador would have to smuggle him back.
One can be worried about America's decision here, but El Salvador declining to smuggle him back to America, where he would be immediately illegal, is a non-story.
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Yeah obviously Trump is the culprit here. Again.
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Sneaky, ain't he?
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Not in a good way.
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wrote 19 days ago last edited by
There is an extradition treaty in place between the US and El Salvador. Why not use it to bring this guy back?
It is political nonsense what is going on here.
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wrote 19 days ago last edited by
Trump can be taught.
I suspect he has been taking copious notes on the Biden Administration.
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wrote 19 days ago last edited by
I think you’re right, but he’s doing a lot of damage to his own goals. He can’t win a battle with scotus.
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I think you’re right, but he’s doing a lot of damage to his own goals. He can’t win a battle with scotus.
wrote 19 days ago last edited by@Mik said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
I think you’re right, but he’s doing a lot of damage to his own goals. He can’t win a battle with scotus.
He may feel that his control of the DOJ defangs SCOTUS.
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wrote 19 days ago last edited by
That would be an unfortunate assumption. We cannot afford a lawless presidency.
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wrote 18 days ago last edited by
Both sides are making massive mistakes on this.
The left and anti-Trump folks are trying to lionize this guy and make him out to be something he is not. The guy is almost certainly a bad dude. It’s fairly well established that he’s an MS13 member, has been arrested and suspected of multiple crime before, and had only avoided deportations and jail in the past on technicalities. It’s okay to admit that and not try to paint him as a saintly father while arguing that his due process was ignored.
The MAGA folk need to remember that due process and how we treat the worst of us is the measure for morality in this country. There’s a reason why cops go to jail and guilty criminals go free when the police violate the law in going after them…
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I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth. As far as I can tell someone said he is MS-13 therefore he is.
I have some personal experience with this sort of thing, although I was never deported. In my junior year of high school the detectives came and arrested me in class and about twenty other people solely because someone said on such and such a date they possessed these drugs. No evidence of any sort. i could say Phibes murdered Larry and they'd arrest him. So based on that I have an aversion to this kind of shoddy law enforcement.
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I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth. As far as I can tell someone said he is MS-13 therefore he is.
I have some personal experience with this sort of thing, although I was never deported. In my junior year of high school the detectives came and arrested me in class and about twenty other people solely because someone said on such and such a date they possessed these drugs. No evidence of any sort. i could say Phibes murdered Larry and they'd arrest him. So based on that I have an aversion to this kind of shoddy law enforcement.
wrote 18 days ago last edited by@Mik said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth.
Exactly, even the DOJ admitted as much to the courts.
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I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth. As far as I can tell someone said he is MS-13 therefore he is.
I have some personal experience with this sort of thing, although I was never deported. In my junior year of high school the detectives came and arrested me in class and about twenty other people solely because someone said on such and such a date they possessed these drugs. No evidence of any sort. i could say Phibes murdered Larry and they'd arrest him. So based on that I have an aversion to this kind of shoddy law enforcement.
wrote 18 days ago last edited by Doctor Phibes@Mik said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:
I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth. As far as I can tell someone said he is MS-13 therefore he is.
I have some personal experience with this sort of thing, although I was never deported. In my junior year of high school the detectives came and arrested me in class and about twenty other people solely because someone said on such and such a date they possessed these drugs. No evidence of any sort. i could say Phibes murdered Larry and they'd arrest him. So based on that I have an aversion to this kind of shoddy law enforcement.
It's certainly interesting to contrast this situation with how the Tate brothers were treated.
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Go piss up a rope.
The U.S. government has NO power to demand a citizen of a foreign nation be returned to the U.S., unless it is for a crime and there exists an extradition treaty between the two countries, assuming both countries honor the treaty.
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wrote 18 days ago last edited by
Can they "ask"? The government admits they made a mistake.
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wrote 18 days ago last edited by
So what is El Salvador's rationale for keeping him?
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wrote 18 days ago last edited by
If the El Salvador president's words carry any weight, their rationale is in the story in the original post.