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El Salvador declines to return Garcia

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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #1

    This is going to get ugly. Uglier I should say.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/president-of-el-salvador-says-he-won-t-return-mistakenly-deported-man-to-u-s/ar-AA1CTWW3

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • AxtremusA Offline
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      Axtremus
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      #2

      If left unchecked, some day this sort of damage due to wanton disregard of due process may be inflicted on innocent American citizens too. This needs to be taken seriously and rectified not only as a matter of law but also as matter of national character.

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        jon-nyc
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        #3

        It’s even worse than that. Trump said he wants to send US citizens down there too.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
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          #4

          "How can I return him to the United States? Like if I smuggle him into the United States? Of course I'm not going to do it. The question is preposterous," Bukele said when asked if he'd return Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

          That is the context of El Salvador "declining to return Garcia". They are saying that, since America officially does not want him back, El Salvador would have to smuggle him back.

          One can be worried about America's decision here, but El Salvador declining to smuggle him back to America, where he would be immediately illegal, is a non-story.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • jon-nycJ Online
            jon-nycJ Online
            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #5

            Yeah obviously Trump is the culprit here. Again.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              #6

              Sneaky, ain't he?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                Not in a good way.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #8

                  There is an extradition treaty in place between the US and El Salvador. Why not use it to bring this guy back?

                  It is political nonsense what is going on here.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #9

                    Trump can be taught.

                    I suspect he has been taking copious notes on the Biden Administration.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #10

                      I think you’re right, but he’s doing a lot of damage to his own goals. He can’t win a battle with scotus.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • MikM Mik

                        I think you’re right, but he’s doing a lot of damage to his own goals. He can’t win a battle with scotus.

                        kluursK Offline
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                        kluurs
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                        #11

                        @Mik said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:

                        I think you’re right, but he’s doing a lot of damage to his own goals. He can’t win a battle with scotus.

                        He may feel that his control of the DOJ defangs SCOTUS.

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                        • MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #12

                          That would be an unfortunate assumption. We cannot afford a lawless presidency.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            LuFins Dad
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                            Both sides are making massive mistakes on this.

                            The left and anti-Trump folks are trying to lionize this guy and make him out to be something he is not. The guy is almost certainly a bad dude. It’s fairly well established that he’s an MS13 member, has been arrested and suspected of multiple crime before, and had only avoided deportations and jail in the past on technicalities. It’s okay to admit that and not try to paint him as a saintly father while arguing that his due process was ignored.

                            The MAGA folk need to remember that due process and how we treat the worst of us is the measure for morality in this country. There’s a reason why cops go to jail and guilty criminals go free when the police violate the law in going after them…

                            The Brad

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                            • MikM Away
                              MikM Away
                              Mik
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                              #14

                              I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth. As far as I can tell someone said he is MS-13 therefore he is.

                              I have some personal experience with this sort of thing, although I was never deported. In my junior year of high school the detectives came and arrested me in class and about twenty other people solely because someone said on such and such a date they possessed these drugs. No evidence of any sort. i could say Phibes murdered Larry and they'd arrest him. So based on that I have an aversion to this kind of shoddy law enforcement.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • MikM Mik

                                I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth. As far as I can tell someone said he is MS-13 therefore he is.

                                I have some personal experience with this sort of thing, although I was never deported. In my junior year of high school the detectives came and arrested me in class and about twenty other people solely because someone said on such and such a date they possessed these drugs. No evidence of any sort. i could say Phibes murdered Larry and they'd arrest him. So based on that I have an aversion to this kind of shoddy law enforcement.

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                                Axtremus
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                                @Mik said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:

                                I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth.

                                Exactly, even the DOJ admitted as much to the courts.

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                                • MikM Mik

                                  I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth. As far as I can tell someone said he is MS-13 therefore he is.

                                  I have some personal experience with this sort of thing, although I was never deported. In my junior year of high school the detectives came and arrested me in class and about twenty other people solely because someone said on such and such a date they possessed these drugs. No evidence of any sort. i could say Phibes murdered Larry and they'd arrest him. So based on that I have an aversion to this kind of shoddy law enforcement.

                                  Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  #16

                                  @Mik said in El Salvador declines to return Garcia:

                                  I haven't found any credible evidence that he is MS-13, or of a criminal record of any depth. As far as I can tell someone said he is MS-13 therefore he is.

                                  I have some personal experience with this sort of thing, although I was never deported. In my junior year of high school the detectives came and arrested me in class and about twenty other people solely because someone said on such and such a date they possessed these drugs. No evidence of any sort. i could say Phibes murdered Larry and they'd arrest him. So based on that I have an aversion to this kind of shoddy law enforcement.

                                  It's certainly interesting to contrast this situation with how the Tate brothers were treated.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #17

                                    Go piss up a rope.

                                    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kilmar-abrego-garcias-court-trump-deportation-el-salvador-president/

                                    The U.S. government has NO power to demand a citizen of a foreign nation be returned to the U.S., unless it is for a crime and there exists an extradition treaty between the two countries, assuming both countries honor the treaty.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • X Offline
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                                      xenon
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                                      #18

                                      Can they "ask"? The government admits they made a mistake.

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                                      • MikM Away
                                        MikM Away
                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #19

                                        So what is El Salvador's rationale for keeping him?

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • HoraceH Offline
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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #20

                                          If the El Salvador president's words carry any weight, their rationale is in the story in the original post.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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