Trump’s indoor rally
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@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
This is why you wear masks
7 COVID deaths linked to Maine wedding and the seven who died DID NOT EVEN ATTEND THE WEDDING!!
And masks may not have prevented a single death.
A cloth mask is not a panacea or wonder weapon against the corona virus. If so, there wouldn't have been a single case in China after mandatory masking. They do help slow the spread of the disease, as do other measures, such as hand-washing and social distancing.
The people at the wedding made a conscious decision about wearing masks. They probably made the wrong decision.
But, it was their decision to make...
Sorry Jolly, but I disagree. The people who dies were not at the wedding. They didn't have a choice.
Would you be okay if someone decided to drive through a school zone at 100 kph at the time school lets out? Is it okay to drink and drive?
I do believe that sometimes the rights/impact of society in total are more important than the rights of an single individual.
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
This is why you wear masks
7 COVID deaths linked to Maine wedding and the seven who died DID NOT EVEN ATTEND THE WEDDING!!
And masks may not have prevented a single death.
A cloth mask is not a panacea or wonder weapon against the corona virus. If so, there wouldn't have been a single case in China after mandatory masking. They do help slow the spread of the disease, as do other measures, such as hand-washing and social distancing.
The people at the wedding made a conscious decision about wearing masks. They probably made the wrong decision.
But, it was their decision to make...
Sorry Jolly, but I disagree. The people who dies were not at the wedding. They didn't have a choice.
Would you be okay if someone decided to drive through a school zone at 100 kph at the time school lets out? Is it okay to drink and drive?
I do believe that sometimes the rights/impact of society in total are more important than the rights of an single individual.
So did the Soviets.
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@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
This is why you wear masks
7 COVID deaths linked to Maine wedding and the seven who died DID NOT EVEN ATTEND THE WEDDING!!
And masks may not have prevented a single death.
A cloth mask is not a panacea or wonder weapon against the corona virus. If so, there wouldn't have been a single case in China after mandatory masking. They do help slow the spread of the disease, as do other measures, such as hand-washing and social distancing.
The people at the wedding made a conscious decision about wearing masks. They probably made the wrong decision.
But, it was their decision to make...
Sorry Jolly, but I disagree. The people who dies were not at the wedding. They didn't have a choice.
Would you be okay if someone decided to drive through a school zone at 100 kph at the time school lets out? Is it okay to drink and drive?
I do believe that sometimes the rights/impact of society in total are more important than the rights of an single individual.
So did the Soviets.
@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
This is why you wear masks
7 COVID deaths linked to Maine wedding and the seven who died DID NOT EVEN ATTEND THE WEDDING!!
And masks may not have prevented a single death.
A cloth mask is not a panacea or wonder weapon against the corona virus. If so, there wouldn't have been a single case in China after mandatory masking. They do help slow the spread of the disease, as do other measures, such as hand-washing and social distancing.
The people at the wedding made a conscious decision about wearing masks. They probably made the wrong decision.
But, it was their decision to make...
Sorry Jolly, but I disagree. The people who dies were not at the wedding. They didn't have a choice.
Would you be okay if someone decided to drive through a school zone at 100 kph at the time school lets out? Is it okay to drink and drive?
I do believe that sometimes the rights/impact of society in total are more important than the rights of an single individual.
So did the Soviets.
So does everybody. It's what living within a society means.
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@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
This is why you wear masks
7 COVID deaths linked to Maine wedding and the seven who died DID NOT EVEN ATTEND THE WEDDING!!
And masks may not have prevented a single death.
A cloth mask is not a panacea or wonder weapon against the corona virus. If so, there wouldn't have been a single case in China after mandatory masking. They do help slow the spread of the disease, as do other measures, such as hand-washing and social distancing.
The people at the wedding made a conscious decision about wearing masks. They probably made the wrong decision.
But, it was their decision to make...
Sorry Jolly, but I disagree. The people who dies were not at the wedding. They didn't have a choice.
Would you be okay if someone decided to drive through a school zone at 100 kph at the time school lets out? Is it okay to drink and drive?
I do believe that sometimes the rights/impact of society in total are more important than the rights of an single individual.
So did the Soviets.
So does everybody. It's what living within a society means.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
This is why you wear masks
7 COVID deaths linked to Maine wedding and the seven who died DID NOT EVEN ATTEND THE WEDDING!!
And masks may not have prevented a single death.
A cloth mask is not a panacea or wonder weapon against the corona virus. If so, there wouldn't have been a single case in China after mandatory masking. They do help slow the spread of the disease, as do other measures, such as hand-washing and social distancing.
The people at the wedding made a conscious decision about wearing masks. They probably made the wrong decision.
But, it was their decision to make...
Sorry Jolly, but I disagree. The people who dies were not at the wedding. They didn't have a choice.
Would you be okay if someone decided to drive through a school zone at 100 kph at the time school lets out? Is it okay to drink and drive?
I do believe that sometimes the rights/impact of society in total are more important than the rights of an single individual.
So did the Soviets.
So does everybody. It's what living within a society means.
Sorry, but Americans are not subjects, we are citizens. There is a difference. Sometimes, it's a very messy difference.
Individual rights should mostly trump the rights of the State. Sometimes, that can lead to bad consequences for the individual.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
This is why you wear masks
7 COVID deaths linked to Maine wedding and the seven who died DID NOT EVEN ATTEND THE WEDDING!!
And masks may not have prevented a single death.
A cloth mask is not a panacea or wonder weapon against the corona virus. If so, there wouldn't have been a single case in China after mandatory masking. They do help slow the spread of the disease, as do other measures, such as hand-washing and social distancing.
The people at the wedding made a conscious decision about wearing masks. They probably made the wrong decision.
But, it was their decision to make...
Sorry Jolly, but I disagree. The people who dies were not at the wedding. They didn't have a choice.
Would you be okay if someone decided to drive through a school zone at 100 kph at the time school lets out? Is it okay to drink and drive?
I do believe that sometimes the rights/impact of society in total are more important than the rights of an single individual.
So did the Soviets.
So does everybody. It's what living within a society means.
Sorry, but Americans are not subjects, we are citizens. There is a difference. Sometimes, it's a very messy difference.
Individual rights should mostly trump the rights of the State. Sometimes, that can lead to bad consequences for the individual.
@Jolly so you support the rioters that are destroying building and stuff in the cities?
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@Jolly so you support the rioters that are destroying building and stuff in the cities?
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@Jolly so you support the rioters that are destroying building and stuff in the cities?
TG, please don't turn into Ax.
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You can never prove whether a specific mask prevented or failed to prevent anything.
That makes it a terrific topic for tncr.
There is no need to worry about either argument being killed by facts.
Percentages, tendencies, likelihoods, sure. Specific outcomes? No.
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@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@Jolly so you support the rioters that are destroying building and stuff in the cities?
TG, please don't turn into Ax.
1 is enough.@Rainman lol.
It just frustrates me when there is something simple that can be done, and realistically is not that big of a thing to follow, and people start saying “ It’s against my rights“
As John Doh said, part of living in a society is following rules. I may not like or agree with everyone of the rules, but as part of society I need to follow them.
The same people who are complaining about wearing a mask Are usually the same ones that complain about when someone doesn’t follow the rules (kneeling for National song for example).
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@Rainman lol.
It just frustrates me when there is something simple that can be done, and realistically is not that big of a thing to follow, and people start saying “ It’s against my rights“
As John Doh said, part of living in a society is following rules. I may not like or agree with everyone of the rules, but as part of society I need to follow them.
The same people who are complaining about wearing a mask Are usually the same ones that complain about when someone doesn’t follow the rules (kneeling for National song for example).
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@Rainman lol.
part of living in a society is following rules.
Rules that exist because of the consent of the governed.
That consent can change at any time.
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Well, yeah TG. But "following rules" can be an observation about masks and who is or is not wearing them. And then, what the power of government should be.
Personally, I would like the same approach to the Marxist BLM rioters that have destroyed downtown Portland over the past 100+ days. And, I'd like the power of government to do something about it, instead of becoming Marxist sympathisers or too chicken to dare say anything that will bring down the cancel culture wrath of BLM.Apply rules based upon law. That's somewhat old-fashioned, but it worked well.
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@Rainman lol.
It just frustrates me when there is something simple that can be done, and realistically is not that big of a thing to follow, and people start saying “ It’s against my rights“
As John Doh said, part of living in a society is following rules. I may not like or agree with everyone of the rules, but as part of society I need to follow them.
The same people who are complaining about wearing a mask Are usually the same ones that complain about when someone doesn’t follow the rules (kneeling for National song for example).
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@Rainman lol.
It just frustrates me when there is something simple that can be done, and realistically is not that big of a thing to follow, and people start saying “ It’s against my rights“
As John Doh said, part of living in a society is following rules. I may not like or agree with everyone of the rules, but as part of society I need to follow them.
The same people who are complaining about wearing a mask Are usually the same ones that complain about when someone doesn’t follow the rules (kneeling for National song for example).
You can end gun violence if the State executed everyone who has a gun in their posession.
OTOH, this being America, it would more likely be the end of the state.
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I know you think you're all special, but the same debates are going in other countries too.
Americans don't have a monopoly on being up themselves.
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I know you think you're all special, but the same debates are going in other countries too.
Americans don't have a monopoly on being up themselves.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump’s indoor rally:
I know you think you're all special, but the same debates are going in other countries too.
Americans don't have a monopoly on being up themselves.
Yeah, but we're the best at it.
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There's someone who's never been to Paris.
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Well, Boris is quite a letdown.
But maybe it will get better as everyone in England or maybe throughout GB will get the reeducation indoctrination that I read about yesterday. We will be grateful to see how it pans out, although we already do these trainings in our public schools and have been for several years. Maybe we can trade indoctrinations?
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@Rainman lol.
It just frustrates me when there is something simple that can be done, and realistically is not that big of a thing to follow, and people start saying “ It’s against my rights“
As John Doh said, part of living in a society is following rules. I may not like or agree with everyone of the rules, but as part of society I need to follow them.
The same people who are complaining about wearing a mask Are usually the same ones that complain about when someone doesn’t follow the rules (kneeling for National song for example).
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@Rainman lol.
It just frustrates me when there is something simple that can be done, and realistically is not that big of a thing to follow, and people start saying “ It’s against my rights“
As John Doh said, part of living in a society is following rules. I may not like or agree with everyone of the rules, but as part of society I need to follow them.
The same people who are complaining about wearing a mask Are usually the same ones that complain about when someone doesn’t follow the rules (kneeling for National song for example).
Let me help you understand Americans.
We don't like being ordered around, told what to do. This is a difficult thing to understand if one comes from a country where you were taught from an early age that your individual rights are not as important as society at large... where you are told what to do and when to do it and conditioned to just accept it.
Most Americans don't object to being asked to wear a mask. What they don't like is being ordered to wear a mask, threatened with retribution if they don't comply. It's all in how you approach it. Many who vehemenently object to being ordered to wear a mask will still wear one, because their own common sense tells them they should wear it. But they will make it clear it is THEIR choice to wear it, not because government forced them to wear it.
This is a GOOD thing. Yes, there will be some knobheads who don't give a rat's ass about other people and will not wear a mask no matter what - but what is an important distinction here is that in America we have a right to make that decision. It might seem silly regarding masks, but that attitude will come in quite handy when government says they want our guns, they are closing our churches, etc.
ALL governments will gradually become more burdensome to the citizenry over time, grab more and more control. But it's a lot harder to do when the citizens are able to challenge that growth of control incrementally. There is nothing in our Constitution that allows our government to force us to wear masks. So we can either sit back and allow our government to illegally take another tiny piece of control, erode our freedom by another little smidgen, or we can raise a stink and force government to stay in their lane.
The problem here isn't that compliance is good, individualism bad. The problem is how Americans were approached. No one asked people to wear masks. State and local governments ORDERED people to wear masks. Not only is that overstepping their authority, it triggers the very attitude by many citizens that made America what it is today.
So if you want Americans to do something, show them why it's a good idea and then ASK them. Don't walk out in the middle of some experts saying masks are useless, some saying the help, and others saying masks will eliminate the virus altogether, and then tell us we WILL wear a mask or we will be prosecuted or some such. Because a whole lot of us will turn around and tell you to go fuck yourself.
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Good post, Larry. But I think you could also send it to Trump.
He could have handled it all much better, proactively convincing everyone about exactly what you pointed out, and that we should all wear masks even though there should not be forced compliance at any level.
Instead, he went without a mask on many occasions, as if he was somehow above it all. And, with the care around him that no one gets close, it's probably true, he is above it all, or at least a safe distance away. But, it sends the wrong message, and divides instead of bringing people together. -
@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:
@Rainman lol.
It just frustrates me when there is something simple that can be done, and realistically is not that big of a thing to follow, and people start saying “ It’s against my rights“
As John Doh said, part of living in a society is following rules. I may not like or agree with everyone of the rules, but as part of society I need to follow them.
The same people who are complaining about wearing a mask Are usually the same ones that complain about when someone doesn’t follow the rules (kneeling for National song for example).
Let me help you understand Americans.
We don't like being ordered around, told what to do. This is a difficult thing to understand if one comes from a country where you were taught from an early age that your individual rights are not as important as society at large... where you are told what to do and when to do it and conditioned to just accept it.
Most Americans don't object to being asked to wear a mask. What they don't like is being ordered to wear a mask, threatened with retribution if they don't comply. It's all in how you approach it. Many who vehemenently object to being ordered to wear a mask will still wear one, because their own common sense tells them they should wear it. But they will make it clear it is THEIR choice to wear it, not because government forced them to wear it.
This is a GOOD thing. Yes, there will be some knobheads who don't give a rat's ass about other people and will not wear a mask no matter what - but what is an important distinction here is that in America we have a right to make that decision. It might seem silly regarding masks, but that attitude will come in quite handy when government says they want our guns, they are closing our churches, etc.
ALL governments will gradually become more burdensome to the citizenry over time, grab more and more control. But it's a lot harder to do when the citizens are able to challenge that growth of control incrementally. There is nothing in our Constitution that allows our government to force us to wear masks. So we can either sit back and allow our government to illegally take another tiny piece of control, erode our freedom by another little smidgen, or we can raise a stink and force government to stay in their lane.
The problem here isn't that compliance is good, individualism bad. The problem is how Americans were approached. No one asked people to wear masks. State and local governments ORDERED people to wear masks. Not only is that overstepping their authority, it triggers the very attitude by many citizens that made America what it is today.
So if you want Americans to do something, show them why it's a good idea and then ASK them. Don't walk out in the middle of some experts saying masks are useless, some saying the help, and others saying masks will eliminate the virus altogether, and then tell us we WILL wear a mask or we will be prosecuted or some such. Because a whole lot of us will turn around and tell you to go fuck yourself.
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Typical thoughtless response by Ax. Misunderstanding that the opposite of order is not negated order, but rather, chaos. Ax, do better please. Your fans are losing faith. Phibes and jon are all you'll have left soon. Get it? "Left", like your dumb politics.
