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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #1

    On college and race...

    https://tcf.org/content/commentary/college-admissions-are-rigged-for-the-rich-trumps-officials-say-keep-it-that-way/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      jon-nyc
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      #2

      They really really really want to keep discriminating by race don’t they.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • MikM Offline
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        Colleges will always be rigged toward the rich. There's no way around that. I don't know enough about SFFA to know whether or not the authors have a point or not, but I do know that under a DEI based process that high achieving Asian students have been bumped for low-achieving minorities, so injustice occurs in both scenarios. At what point do we truly go to a meritocracy? Is DEI really sending the right message?

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          Colleges will always be rigged toward the rich. There's no way around that. I don't know enough about SFFA to know whether or not the authors have a point or not, but I do know that under a DEI based process that high achieving Asian students have been bumped for low-achieving minorities, so injustice occurs in both scenarios. At what point do we truly go to a meritocracy? Is DEI really sending the right message?

          LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
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          #4

          @Mik said in A Different View:

          Colleges Equality will always be rigged create more opportunities toward the rich for stable and wealthier families.

          Simple facts. Families with 2 parents in the home are more likely to succeed. To live at the Median Family Income or above. They are more likely to live in stable environments with more focus on education and the well-being of their children. That is not meant to be demeaning towards single parents. A single parent often gives everything they have in bringing up their children, but it’s still going to be less than what a full family can provide. Less structure, less economic opportunity, less support… It’s not because they are wealthy, the economic well being is more often a result of their being a cohesive family. It’s not the cause…

          The Brad

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          • CopperC Offline
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            Copper
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            Waterfront homes on Nantucket are rigged toward the rich too.

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by Mik
              #6

              Still, if you look at our current VP you can see it is possible to overcome your circumstances. I know Middletown very very well and it is an easy town to go down the wrong path. Here's an innately bright kid, but he DID THE RIGHT THINGS to help himself. There will never, ever be any institutional substitute for that.

              You can put the opportunity in front of kids but they have to grab it.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                How much did the Marine Corps change the arc of Vance's life?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Bigly.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    @Mik said in A Different View:

                    Colleges Equality will always be rigged create more opportunities toward the rich for stable and wealthier families.

                    Simple facts. Families with 2 parents in the home are more likely to succeed. To live at the Median Family Income or above. They are more likely to live in stable environments with more focus on education and the well-being of their children. That is not meant to be demeaning towards single parents. A single parent often gives everything they have in bringing up their children, but it’s still going to be less than what a full family can provide. Less structure, less economic opportunity, less support… It’s not because they are wealthy, the economic well being is more often a result of their being a cohesive family. It’s not the cause…

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                    @LuFins-Dad said in A Different View:

                    @Mik said in A Different View:

                    Colleges Equality will always be rigged create more opportunities toward the rich for stable and wealthier families.

                    Simple facts. Families with 2 parents in the home are more likely to succeed. To live at the Median Family Income or above. They are more likely to live in stable environments with more focus on education and the well-being of their children. That is not meant to be demeaning towards single parents. A single parent often gives everything they have in bringing up their children, but it’s still going to be less than what a full family can provide. Less structure, less economic opportunity, less support… It’s not because they are wealthy, the economic well being is more often a result of their being a cohesive family. It’s not the cause…

                    When you make an argument like that, you really ought to also consider families with three, four, five, or even more parents.

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                      jon-nyc
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                      #10

                      It takes a village polycule.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                        @LuFins-Dad said in A Different View:

                        @Mik said in A Different View:

                        Colleges Equality will always be rigged create more opportunities toward the rich for stable and wealthier families.

                        Simple facts. Families with 2 parents in the home are more likely to succeed. To live at the Median Family Income or above. They are more likely to live in stable environments with more focus on education and the well-being of their children. That is not meant to be demeaning towards single parents. A single parent often gives everything they have in bringing up their children, but it’s still going to be less than what a full family can provide. Less structure, less economic opportunity, less support… It’s not because they are wealthy, the economic well being is more often a result of their being a cohesive family. It’s not the cause…

                        When you make an argument like that, you really ought to also consider families with three, four, five, or even more parents.

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                        @Axtremus said in A Different View:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in A Different View:

                        @Mik said in A Different View:

                        Colleges Equality will always be rigged create more opportunities toward the rich for stable and wealthier families.

                        Simple facts. Families with 2 parents in the home are more likely to succeed. To live at the Median Family Income or above. They are more likely to live in stable environments with more focus on education and the well-being of their children. That is not meant to be demeaning towards single parents. A single parent often gives everything they have in bringing up their children, but it’s still going to be less than what a full family can provide. Less structure, less economic opportunity, less support… It’s not because they are wealthy, the economic well being is more often a result of their being a cohesive family. It’s not the cause…

                        When you make an argument like that, you really ought to also consider families with three, four, five, or even more parents.

                        Less anyone think my comment above was flippant, consider the effects of having one or two aunts/uncles to help parent the children; consider the effects of having one, two, three, or all four grandparents around to help parent the children. That's even before getting into economically affluent families that may hire multiple full-time nannies, butlers, and other round-the clock professional caregivers and household help.

                        It is intellectually rather lazy to merely argue that "two parents are better than one" and then just stop at "two parents." Careful study or the matter demands that one also look very closely into the scenarios of having three, four, five, or even more "parents."

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                          @Jolly I’m tired, have a headache, and a sour stomach. Please bitchslap this guy for me?

                          The Brad

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            @Jolly I’m tired, have a headache, and a sour stomach. Please bitchslap this guy for me?

                            JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
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                            @LuFins-Dad said in A Different View:

                            @Jolly I’m tired, have a headache, and a sour stomach. Please bitchslap this guy for me?

                            I'm cleaning my pump right now. Had a crow aggravate my barn cat and that's crossing the line. I'll nail the crow up in the garden tomorrow. Crows are smart, they avoid a dead crow.

                            So, if I had violent tendencies towards the lad right now, I'm afraid the end result would be permanent. Best not to do that, as he may have some redeeming qualities.

                            I've heard that if you put your fingers in your ears and hum the Star Spangled Banner, he ain't a half bad pianist....

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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