DOGE seeks access to personal taxpayer data
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 16:37 last edited by
And how long is that going to take?
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 16:38 last edited by
I know better than to underestimate the time IT folks can absorb doing anything but really aren’t we just talking about copying a table while omitting some fields?
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 16:49 last edited by
No. You're talking about many tables from huge distributed databases, each with identifying keys. It's not as simple as you might think.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 18:13 last edited by
This data will help us identify corrupt congresspeople.
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No. You're talking about many tables from huge distributed databases, each with identifying keys. It's not as simple as you might think.
wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 22:50 last edited by@Mik said in DOGE seeks access to personal taxpayer data:
No. You're talking about many tables from huge distributed databases, each with identifying keys. It's not as simple as you might think.
Try putting on your info-sec hat and see if you think the time it would take to de-identify that data is worth it.
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wrote on 17 Feb 2025, 23:39 last edited by
Probably not but I don’t know what the laws pertaining to this data are. If it was healthcare I could tell you.
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wrote on 18 Feb 2025, 00:13 last edited by jon-nyc
In Trump’s world there are two kinds of people. Those who the law protects but doesn’t necessarily bind, and those who the law binds but doesn’t necessarily protect. Doge is in the first group, career civil service is in the latter.
I want only the latter group to have access to personally-identifiable tax information.
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wrote on 20 Feb 2025, 14:37 last edited by
Of course, the DOGE needs access to personal taxpayer data. How else can President Trump send USD$5000 checks to every one?
President Donald Trump suggested that some savings from his federal cost-cutting effort, overseen by billionaire Elon Musk, could be sent back to US taxpayers, with another portion being used to reduce the national deficit.
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Trump’s idea has been floated previously by Musk, who was in attendance for the address. Musk responded this week to a post on his social media platform X suggesting that Trump announce a “DOGE Dividend” with a $5,000 tax refund check sent to taxpaying households, saying he would “check with the President.”
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wrote on 20 Feb 2025, 15:13 last edited by
100MM taxpaying households? (A guess). That’s half a trillion
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wrote on 20 Feb 2025, 15:27 last edited by
Worst idea ever.
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wrote on 20 Feb 2025, 15:57 last edited by
Nope, not a fan.
Trump spitballing, as usual.
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wrote on 20 Feb 2025, 16:08 last edited by
FFS.
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wrote on 20 Feb 2025, 16:11 last edited by
Seems like a large majority of links on this forum anymore are paywalled or registration walled. Sad.
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Seems like a large majority of links on this forum anymore are paywalled or registration walled. Sad.
wrote on 20 Feb 2025, 16:22 last edited by@Horace Here is the article from Bloomberg
President Donald Trump suggested that some savings from his federal cost-cutting effort, overseen by billionaire Elon Musk, could be sent back to US taxpayers, with another portion being used to reduce the national deficit.
“There’s even under consideration a new concept where we give 20% of the DOGE savings to American citizens, and 20% goes to paying down debt, because the numbers are incredible,” Trump said referring to his Department of Government Efficiency effort during an address Wednesday at an investment summit backed by Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund in Miami.
Trump’s idea has been floated previously by Musk, who was in attendance for the address. Musk responded this week to a post on his social media platform X suggesting that Trump announce a “DOGE Dividend” with a $5,000 tax refund check sent to taxpaying households, saying he would “check with the President.”
The remarks were the latest signal that Trump is working to justify his DOGE effort, which has sent shockwaves through Washington as Musk’s moves to slash the federal government’s spending and workforce invite legal challenges and questions over the effort’s authority and powers.
Critics have argued that the slash-and-burn style of canceled contracts and worker layoffs risk crippling critical government services while doing little to deliver long-term taxpayer savings. And Trump and Musk have repeatedly overstated the amount of realized taxpayer savings — casting doubt on whether ambitious goals to significantly slash spending could be met.
While the White House has claimed some $55 billion in savings so far, itemized documents posted by the group suggest the actual savings are only a fraction of that amount. Sending 20% of the roughly $8.6 billion of DOGE savings the group has so far listed on its website would amount to about $11 per taxpayer.
Still, some 75,000 federal workers took a offer for a buyout offer, Trump said, arguing it would provide long-term savings to the government. And Trump and Musk have argued that the biting cuts are necessary given the nation’s debt.
The US recorded an annual deficit of $1.8 trillion in the last fiscal year, and deficits are on track to rise over the next decade, adding further to government red ink. The US would need to eliminate those budget shortfalls before even beginning to make a dent in its $29 trillion debt load.
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wrote on 20 Feb 2025, 17:09 last edited by
While the White House has claimed some $55 billion in savings so far, itemized documents posted by the group suggest the actual savings are only a fraction of that amount. Sending 20% of the roughly $8.6 billion of DOGE savings the group has so far listed on its website would amount to about $11 per taxpayer.
$11 per tax payer might be affordable.
Re the inflated claims of Doge, I’ve seen some analyses. Some real amateur stuff there, eg canceling an 8B contract that’s in (say) year 6 out of 8 and claiming the full $8B as savings. That kind of thing.
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@Horace Here is the article from Bloomberg
President Donald Trump suggested that some savings from his federal cost-cutting effort, overseen by billionaire Elon Musk, could be sent back to US taxpayers, with another portion being used to reduce the national deficit.
“There’s even under consideration a new concept where we give 20% of the DOGE savings to American citizens, and 20% goes to paying down debt, because the numbers are incredible,” Trump said referring to his Department of Government Efficiency effort during an address Wednesday at an investment summit backed by Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund in Miami.
Trump’s idea has been floated previously by Musk, who was in attendance for the address. Musk responded this week to a post on his social media platform X suggesting that Trump announce a “DOGE Dividend” with a $5,000 tax refund check sent to taxpaying households, saying he would “check with the President.”
The remarks were the latest signal that Trump is working to justify his DOGE effort, which has sent shockwaves through Washington as Musk’s moves to slash the federal government’s spending and workforce invite legal challenges and questions over the effort’s authority and powers.
Critics have argued that the slash-and-burn style of canceled contracts and worker layoffs risk crippling critical government services while doing little to deliver long-term taxpayer savings. And Trump and Musk have repeatedly overstated the amount of realized taxpayer savings — casting doubt on whether ambitious goals to significantly slash spending could be met.
While the White House has claimed some $55 billion in savings so far, itemized documents posted by the group suggest the actual savings are only a fraction of that amount. Sending 20% of the roughly $8.6 billion of DOGE savings the group has so far listed on its website would amount to about $11 per taxpayer.
Still, some 75,000 federal workers took a offer for a buyout offer, Trump said, arguing it would provide long-term savings to the government. And Trump and Musk have argued that the biting cuts are necessary given the nation’s debt.
The US recorded an annual deficit of $1.8 trillion in the last fiscal year, and deficits are on track to rise over the next decade, adding further to government red ink. The US would need to eliminate those budget shortfalls before even beginning to make a dent in its $29 trillion debt load.
wrote on 20 Feb 2025, 17:59 last edited by@taiwan_girl Thanks TG!
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wrote on 20 Feb 2025, 18:30 last edited by
Add a "claw back" clause for when the expected DOGE savings fall short and the next administration will be truly screwed.
The MAGA crowd will still cheer anyway.
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wrote on 21 Feb 2025, 18:25 last edited by
@Jolly said in DOGE seeks access to personal taxpayer data:
Trump spitballing, as usual.
Are you 100% sure it's spit?
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While the White House has claimed some $55 billion in savings so far, itemized documents posted by the group suggest the actual savings are only a fraction of that amount. Sending 20% of the roughly $8.6 billion of DOGE savings the group has so far listed on its website would amount to about $11 per taxpayer.
$11 per tax payer might be affordable.
Re the inflated claims of Doge, I’ve seen some analyses. Some real amateur stuff there, eg canceling an 8B contract that’s in (say) year 6 out of 8 and claiming the full $8B as savings. That kind of thing.
wrote on 21 Feb 2025, 20:16 last edited by@jon-nyc said in DOGE seeks access to personal taxpayer data:
While the White House has claimed some $55 billion in savings so far, itemized documents posted by the group suggest the actual savings are only a fraction of that amount. Sending 20% of the roughly $8.6 billion of DOGE savings the group has so far listed on its website would amount to about $11 per taxpayer.
$11 per tax payer might be affordable.
Re the inflated claims of Doge, I’ve seen some analyses. Some real amateur stuff there, eg canceling an 8B contract that’s in (say) year 6 out of 8 and claiming the full $8B as savings. That kind of thing.
I'll take what I can get. Remind me again of how much money we've clawed back since the first Clinton Administration?
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wrote on 21 Feb 2025, 20:26 last edited by
I'd rather they didn't bother giving me the $11. Just let Melania buy herself something nice with it.