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Elon discovers the constitution

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    Horace
    wrote on 16 Feb 2025, 20:05 last edited by Horace
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    According to Robin Hanson, all the available data shows that we could cut about 50% from our health care spending and achieve the same results. Just by not doing a lot of it. The easiest way to do that would be by nationalizing the whole project, but there are also steps individuals can take to minimize their own health care consumption, safely. But respect for the magical black box of mainstream medicine is probably an even tougher nut to crack than respect for formal education. People may die, after all.

    Education is extremely important.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 16 Feb 2025, 20:31 last edited by
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      Socialized systems spend half-ish what we do and generally have better outcomes.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        Socialized systems spend half-ish what we do and generally have better outcomes.

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 16 Feb 2025, 20:32 last edited by
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        @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

        Socialized systems spend half-ish what we do and generally have better outcomes.

        They also suck, but in different ways, in my experience.

        I was only joking

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 16 Feb 2025, 20:38 last edited by
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          Sure. But if the goal were to have similar to better outcomes at half the cost maybe we could change the precise mix of suckage we’re used to having to deal with.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            Copper
            wrote on 16 Feb 2025, 21:01 last edited by
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            We go to a lot of doctor's offices now. The doctors are outnumbered by staff at least 5 to 1.

            If we spend 2 hours at an office visit, we might be with a doctor for 5-10 minutes.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 16 Feb 2025, 21:10 last edited by
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              If you saw Epic’s headquarters you’d understand why.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                16 Feb 2025, 21:10

                If you saw Epic’s headquarters you’d understand why.

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                Jolly
                wrote on 16 Feb 2025, 21:35 last edited by
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                @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                If you saw Epic’s headquarters you’d understand why.

                Praise be to Obama!

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  16 Feb 2025, 20:31

                  Socialized systems spend half-ish what we do and generally have better outcomes.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 16 Feb 2025, 21:36 last edited by
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                  @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                  Socialized systems spend half-ish what we do and generally have better outcomes.

                  All revolves around the ability to say "No".

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 16 Feb 2025, 21:37 last edited by
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                    We say no differently. Ever met a middle aged adult with no insurance?

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 16 Feb 2025, 21:38 last edited by
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                      EMTALA.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 16 Feb 2025, 21:38 last edited by jon-nyc
                        #38

                        COVFEFE

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 16 Feb 2025, 21:41 last edited by jon-nyc
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                          EMTALA helps when you’ve had a car accident. Hard to control your asthma that way. Or get the precancerous growths on your scalp removed. Or manage the debilitating pain when you need a knee replacement, or….

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            16 Feb 2025, 21:41

                            EMTALA helps when you’ve had a car accident. Hard to control your asthma that way. Or get the precancerous growths on your scalp removed. Or manage the debilitating pain when you need a knee replacement, or….

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 16 Feb 2025, 21:45 last edited by
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                            @jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

                            EMTALA helps when you’ve had a car accident. Hard to control your asthma that way. Or get the precancerous growths on your scalp removed. Or manage the debilitating pain when you need a knee replacement, or….

                            BS. Walk through any big city ED and watch how much everyday (unpaid) medicine takes place.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on 16 Feb 2025, 22:13 last edited by
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                              Even austerity measures aren’t going to balance the massive problem from the entitlements. But you can’t fix those without a good faith effort to fix elsewhere. And institutions

                              The Brad

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