Elon discovers the constitution

[Mik]

It's not just the personnel costs. They're going after a lot of spending. Ask any CEO if they'd like to reduce spending 1 or 2%.

[jon-nyc]

That might be reasonable to say if they weren’t simultaneously making a positive decision to add 4T to the debt in the next 24-30 months.

[Horace]

According to Robin Hanson, all the available data shows that we could cut about 50% from our health care spending and achieve the same results. Just by not doing a lot of it. The easiest way to do that would be by nationalizing the whole project, but there are also steps individuals can take to minimize their own health care consumption, safely. But respect for the magical black box of mainstream medicine is probably an even tougher nut to crack than respect for formal education. People may die, after all.

[jon-nyc]

Socialized systems spend half-ish what we do and generally have better outcomes.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

Socialized systems spend half-ish what we do and generally have better outcomes.

They also suck, but in different ways, in my experience.

[jon-nyc]

Sure. But if the goal were to have similar to better outcomes at half the cost maybe we could change the precise mix of suckage we’re used to having to deal with.

[Copper]

We go to a lot of doctor's offices now. The doctors are outnumbered by staff at least 5 to 1.

If we spend 2 hours at an office visit, we might be with a doctor for 5-10 minutes.

[jon-nyc]

If you saw Epic’s headquarters you’d understand why.

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

If you saw Epic’s headquarters you’d understand why.

Praise be to Obama!

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

Socialized systems spend half-ish what we do and generally have better outcomes.

All revolves around the ability to say "No".

[jon-nyc]

We say no differently. Ever met a middle aged adult with no insurance?

[Jolly]

EMTALA.

[jon-nyc]

COVFEFE

[jon-nyc]

EMTALA helps when you’ve had a car accident. Hard to control your asthma that way. Or get the precancerous growths on your scalp removed. Or manage the debilitating pain when you need a knee replacement, or….

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in Elon discovers the constitution:

EMTALA helps when you’ve had a car accident. Hard to control your asthma that way. Or get the precancerous growths on your scalp removed. Or manage the debilitating pain when you need a knee replacement, or….

BS. Walk through any big city ED and watch how much everyday (unpaid) medicine takes place.

[LuFins Dad]

Even austerity measures aren’t going to balance the massive problem from the entitlements. But you can’t fix those without a good faith effort to fix elsewhere. And institutions