Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?
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wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 16:35 last edited by
If I had the identity bona fides google would hire me in a minute. As it is, no chance.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 16:38 last edited by Doctor Phibes 9 Oct 2020, 16:38
When I started my career in the UK, I was pretty much the only person in the office with a degree, and to be brutally honest I was a long, long way from being the best person there - I was so green it was laughable. When I came to the US, I wouldn't have been hired to do pretty much the identical job without a degree. A friend of mine who'd been doing the same job for 15 years in the UK got a degree solely so that he could come and work in the US.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 16:40 last edited by
Well you work in a highly regulated industry.
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I think there is a rich history of tech workers being hired without degrees. It’s just what the market dictated. All you really need is the ability and the experience. School is a weak and diluted way to acquire the latter. And without the former, no amount of schooling will matter.
wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 16:42 last edited by Mik 9 Oct 2020, 16:43@Horace said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
I think there is a rich history of tech workers being hired without degrees. It’s just what the market dictated. All you really need is the ability and the experience. School is a weak and diluted way to acquire the latter. And without the former, no amount of schooling will matter.
It helps to have some training in tech to see if one has the aptitude. Once that is established it is easier to teach someone the tech skills needed than it is the soft skills. The latter is usually what will determine your rise.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 16:43 last edited by
For sure I wish jobs were filled with competence rather than with degrees.
Still, the reality is more like this:
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Yeah everybody knows formal education is sort of a joke but we’re all still trained to deny that we know it.
wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 16:44 last edited by@Horace said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
Yeah everybody knows formal education is sort of a joke but we’re all still trained to deny that we know it.
It is in practice, not in concept. From the article:
A portfolio of projects and products you have made credible contributions to is worth more than years of experience or schooling.
It entirely depends on what your goals are.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 16:47 last edited by
@Horace said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
Well you work in a highly regulated industry.
Not really, there's just not many places (literally less than 5 in the US) that do what we do, and it's company policy to hire graduates for this grade.
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@Horace said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
I think there is a rich history of tech workers being hired without degrees. It’s just what the market dictated. All you really need is the ability and the experience. School is a weak and diluted way to acquire the latter. And without the former, no amount of schooling will matter.
It helps to have some training in tech to see if one has the aptitude. Once that is established it is easier to teach someone the tech skills needed than it is the soft skills. The latter is usually what will determine your rise.
wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 16:51 last edited by@Mik said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
@Horace said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
I think there is a rich history of tech workers being hired without degrees. It’s just what the market dictated. All you really need is the ability and the experience. School is a weak and diluted way to acquire the latter. And without the former, no amount of schooling will matter.
It helps to have some training in tech to see if one has the aptitude. Once that is established it is easier to teach someone the tech skills needed than it is the soft skills. The latter is usually what will determine your rise.
Yeah the required soft skills that determine rise are in a domain that does not ultimately matter. 23 years into this job and I still haven’t noticed a social climber make a difference or be anything but completely replaceable.
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@Mik said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
@Horace said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
I think there is a rich history of tech workers being hired without degrees. It’s just what the market dictated. All you really need is the ability and the experience. School is a weak and diluted way to acquire the latter. And without the former, no amount of schooling will matter.
It helps to have some training in tech to see if one has the aptitude. Once that is established it is easier to teach someone the tech skills needed than it is the soft skills. The latter is usually what will determine your rise.
Yeah the required soft skills that determine rise are in a domain that does not ultimately matter. 23 years into this job and I still haven’t noticed a social climber make a difference or be anything but completely replaceable.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 16:57 last edited by
Well when you say rise I hear climbing. Maybe I misunderstood.
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@mark said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
I will believe it when Google itself hires degree-less graduates of these $49/month course program over their college degreed counterparts.
wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 17:09 last edited by@Axtremus said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
@mark said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
I will believe it when Google itself hires degree-less graduates of these $49/month course program over their college degreed counterparts.
"“In our own hiring, we will now treat these new career certificates as the equivalent of a four-year degree for related roles.”"
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wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 17:19 last edited by
@Horace said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
Well when you say rise I hear climbing. Maybe I misunderstood.
Rising to me is about having influence and being respected. They always kept trying to move me into management positions when I was happiest designing, coding, testing and implementing. I'm good at project and people management, I just don't enjoy it.
Influence > authority.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 17:32 last edited by
Technical people with zero social skills always complain about social climbers and brown-nosers getting promoted, because it's a lot easier than accepting the alternative explanation
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wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 17:35 last edited by
All that aside, it is not difficult to watch the sausage being made in the process of climbing. And that might be a more difficult admission from the climbers than a low social skills person admitting whatever is allegedly difficult for them to admit.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2020, 17:35 last edited by
One still has to survive an interview if they can differentiate themselves from the thousands of applicants to get the interview in the first place. If the google course is the ticket word will get out.
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wrote on 11 Mar 2021, 18:55 last edited by Axtremus 3 Nov 2021, 19:01
https://www.inc.com/justin-bariso/inside-googles-plan-to-disrupt-college-degree-exclusive.html
Article on Google making a bigger splash on changing job-centric education. There’s a bit of a “puff piece” quality to this and I’m pretty sure Google has some self-serving incentives to do this, but still, making more job-relevant education available to more people at very low cost and further removing “degree” from job requirements are worthy causes by themselves. So, kudos to Google for doing this.
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https://www.inc.com/justin-bariso/inside-googles-plan-to-disrupt-college-degree-exclusive.html
Article on Google making a bigger splash on changing job-centric education. There’s a bit of a “puff piece” quality to this and I’m pretty sure Google has some self-serving incentives to do this, but still, making more job-relevant education available to more people at very low cost and further removing “degree” from job requirements are worthy causes by themselves. So, kudos to Google for doing this.
wrote on 11 Mar 2021, 18:58 last edited by@axtremus said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
https://www.inc.com/justin-bariso/inside-googles-plan-to-disrupt-college-degree-exclusive.html
Article on Google making a bigger splash on changing job-centric education. There’s a bit of a “puff piece” quality to this and I’m pretty Google has some self-serving incentives to do this, but still, making more job-relevant education available to more people at very low cost and further removing “degree” from job requirements are worthy causes by themselves. So, kudos to Google for doing this.
Karla's thinking about doing this. It's not too easy to run a petcare business with an 18-month-old toddler.
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wrote on 11 Mar 2021, 19:01 last edited by xenon 3 Nov 2021, 19:27
If someone has the drive to go through a self directed curriculum and get it done - they should be seriously considered by recruiters. (And their skills can be tested and verified)
The population that can do that without the structure of a formal school is small.
Jumping through hoops is a good skill to have in a job.
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If someone has the drive to go through a self directed curriculum and get it done - they should be seriously considered by recruiters. (And their skills can be tested and verified)
The population that can do that without the structure of a formal school is small.
Jumping through hoops is a good skill to have in a job.
wrote on 11 Mar 2021, 22:11 last edited by@xenon said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
If someone has the drive to go through a self directed curriculum and get it done - they should be seriously considered by recruiters. (And their skills can be tested and verified)
The population that can do that without the structure of a formal school is small.
Jumping through hoops is a good skill to have in a job.
I agree. Pretty much without exception a college degree does not make you what you wish to be. It gives you the knowledge and skills to be able to learn to be that on a professional level. There is still a developmental time, even if you are getting paid.
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@xenon said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
If someone has the drive to go through a self directed curriculum and get it done - they should be seriously considered by recruiters. (And their skills can be tested and verified)
The population that can do that without the structure of a formal school is small.
Jumping through hoops is a good skill to have in a job.
I agree. Pretty much without exception a college degree does not make you what you wish to be. It gives you the knowledge and skills to be able to learn to be that on a professional level. There is still a developmental time, even if you are getting paid.
wrote on 11 Mar 2021, 22:15 last edited by@mik said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
@xenon said in Google’s Genius $49/mo Course Is About to Replace College Degrees?:
If someone has the drive to go through a self directed curriculum and get it done - they should be seriously considered by recruiters. (And their skills can be tested and verified)
The population that can do that without the structure of a formal school is small.
Jumping through hoops is a good skill to have in a job.
I agree. Pretty much without exception a college degree does not make you what you wish to be. It gives you the knowledge and skills to be able to learn to be that on a professional level. There is still a developmental time, even if you are getting paid.
Even doctors have internships.
