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One of Trump's most significant victories?

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    Or a Democrat error?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-democrats-lost-the-dissident-vote/ar-AA1yjVMc

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Thing is, I didn’t like Tulsi or RFK when they were democrats either. Always thought they were cranks.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        I've always liked Tulsi, including when she was a Democrat. You can sniff the actual principle from her, and it continued to be obvious in her confirmation hearings. Never had an opinion about RFK, and I am ambivalent but optimistic that he can make a positive difference if confirmed.

        Education is extremely important.

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          I may well be the only person alive who thought Taibbi was a tool during the occupy Wall Street days and still think he’s a tool today. Same with the dude in Brazil who’s name escapes me.

          I liked Hitch when he was a socialist and when he was a darling of the right.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            I've always liked Tulsi, including when she was a Democrat. You can sniff the actual principle from her, and it continued to be obvious in her confirmation hearings. Never had an opinion about RFK, and I am ambivalent but optimistic that he can make a positive difference if confirmed.

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            @Horace said in One of Trump's most significant victories?:

            I've always liked Tulsi, including when she was a Democrat. You can sniff the actual principle from her, and it continued to be obvious in her confirmation hearings. Never had an opinion about RFK, and I am ambivalent but optimistic that he can make a positive difference if confirmed.

            Cassidy caved today, so I think he will be.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              I may well be the only person alive who thought Taibbi was a tool during the occupy Wall Street days and still think he’s a tool today. Same with the dude in Brazil who’s name escapes me.

              I liked Hitch when he was a socialist and when he was a darling of the right.

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              @jon-nyc Taibbi was taking shots at your industry back in that day. These days thinking of him as a tool is 100% tribalized, and you have lots of company.

              Education is extremely important.

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                It’s more than that. And his style hasn’t changed. His ‘investigative pieces’ are pages of narrative interspersed with little factoids or innuendo that seem supportive if, and only if, you’ve bought into the narrative prose he opens with, but would never on their own be sufficient to deduce his version of events.

                I wish I could find the article he did about, I think, BofA back in the day. He had all of WTF convinced of some nefarious thing and I remember challenging the entire group to write a single paragraph saying what the bank actually did. It was not possible from the text of the piece.

                He used a similar formula in his twitter pieces, opening with pages of narrative and only then presenting data points. I’ll bet if we found the shit he wrote for the Moscow Times when he was 25 we’d see the same pattern.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                  I recall having this conversation about Taibbi and his days of investigative reporting on wall street. I think his major piece was in Rolling Stone. I did as much research as I could to debunk the story, and came up with little to convince me that it was an empty rhetorical exercise.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    I remember when Taibbi edited and wrote for a free English weekly tabloid for ex-pats living in Moscow in the mid to late ‘90s. If I correctly recall it was called Ex-ile. It contained a lot of interesting political street gossip about the oligarchs’ control of Yeltsin and the rising power of the siloviki (literally “powerful and strong men” referring to Russian mafiosi, FSB and other security establishment thugs). It also sections on night life and after hours venues. It would describe and rate bars and clubs on three factors; 1) price of booze, 2) number of mafia and other criminal types that frequented the place and 3) a Faucki Factor meaning the chances of meeting a local harlot at that venue and getting laid. I would imagine Jon would have appreciated the value of that section.

                    Actually wasn’t a terrible scandal sheet. Price was right and the articles were, if not accurate, at least engaging..

                    Elbows up!

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                      Everybody agrees he's a good writer, at least. At the time he lived in Russia, I think he was playing semi-pro baseball. Or maybe that was before Russia.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        I recall having this conversation about Taibbi and his days of investigative reporting on wall street. I think his major piece was in Rolling Stone. I did as much research as I could to debunk the story, and came up with little to convince me that it was an empty rhetorical exercise.

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                        @Horace the big piece was the Goldman squid one. This was different.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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