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"Take the muzzle off."

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    George K
    wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 00:50 last edited by
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    I can see some reasons to muzzle a horse, but I don't understand why someone would turn a horse out to pasture wearing the muzzle.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Renauda
      wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 01:05 last edited by Renauda
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      I don’t get it either unless the owner is under the impression the horse will colic or founder from eating grass. I would corral it under controlled feed conditions in that case, not pasture it with a muzzle.

      In fact I wouldn’t even pasture my horse wearing a halter. Too much could go wrong.

      Elbows up!

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        24 Jan 2025, 01:05

        I don’t get it either unless the owner is under the impression the horse will colic or founder from eating grass. I would corral it under controlled feed conditions in that case, not pasture it with a muzzle.

        In fact I wouldn’t even pasture my horse wearing a halter. Too much could go wrong.

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        George K
        wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 01:09 last edited by
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        @Renauda said in "Take the muzzle off.":

        In fact I would even pasture my horse wearing a halter. Too much could go wrong.

        I assume you meant "never."

        Agreed. To many potential problems. A well trained, trusting, horse does not need a halter. Turn 'em out, take the halter off.

        Catch 'em and put the halter on. Back to the stall.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          George K
          wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 01:09 last edited by
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          Just curious, why would you muzzle a horse other than aggression with another horse or the handler?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Renauda
            wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 01:31 last edited by Renauda
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            To be honest I never encountered such with any of the horses where I stabled. There was one stud that was one nasty piece of work, that needed nose twitching with a chain on a lead to do anything on the ground with him.

            Speaking of nose twitching have ever you seen a wrangler or trainer nose twitch an uncooperative horse with their thumb and index finger so they get a halter or bridle on the animal’s head?

            Elbows up!

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              24 Jan 2025, 01:31

              To be honest I never encountered such with any of the horses where I stabled. There was one stud that was one nasty piece of work, that needed nose twitching with a chain on a lead to do anything on the ground with him.

              Speaking of nose twitching have ever you seen a wrangler or trainer nose twitch an uncooperative horse with their thumb and index finger so they get a halter or bridle on the animal’s head?

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              George K
              wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 01:41 last edited by
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              @Renauda said in "Take the muzzle off.":

              Speaking of nose twitching have you seen a wrangler or trainer twitch an uncooperative horse with his thumb and index finger?

              Ahh...no. LOL.

              "Nasty" horses usually have a reason for being so. If you eliminate the reason, you should eliminate the problem.

              I remember hearing about a horse that was terrified of clippers. The owner of the barn attached some clippers to the outside of his stall. They were on a timer. Once the horse realized that the clippers just outside his stall were not a threat, he lost all his fears of clippers.

              BTW, if you have some interest on "natural" horse training, check out Mark Rashid's work. I attended three of his clinics and participated in two of them.

              He's a really good and kind person.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                24 Jan 2025, 01:41

                @Renauda said in "Take the muzzle off.":

                Speaking of nose twitching have you seen a wrangler or trainer twitch an uncooperative horse with his thumb and index finger?

                Ahh...no. LOL.

                "Nasty" horses usually have a reason for being so. If you eliminate the reason, you should eliminate the problem.

                I remember hearing about a horse that was terrified of clippers. The owner of the barn attached some clippers to the outside of his stall. They were on a timer. Once the horse realized that the clippers just outside his stall were not a threat, he lost all his fears of clippers.

                BTW, if you have some interest on "natural" horse training, check out Mark Rashid's work. I attended three of his clinics and participated in two of them.

                He's a really good and kind person.

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                Renauda
                wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 01:52 last edited by Renauda
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                @George-K

                You have to be fast but there is false nostril or pocket in either nostril that you can pinch and the horse will settle in an instant. Calms them like flipping a switch. Have seen it done on several occasions usually by seasoned wranglers or ferriers. I tried a couple of times to find the false nostrils on my own horses but only managed to piss the horse off so that it threw its head. Not what you want.

                I have our dog trained so that he considers clipping, brushing and grooming is the next best thing to an off leash run. Whenever I bring out the clippers, his furmanator brush and the shop vac he is right there madly wagging his tail and sitting straight up. He loves the quarterly spa treatment and the shop vac doesn’t bother him in the least. Loves going to the local laundromutt as well for his New Year’s bubble bath.

                Will check out your recommendation

                Elbows up!

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                  George K
                  wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 01:57 last edited by
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                  I've never understood "twitching." Though I get the result, I wonder about the process. I wonder if it's the same as "Scruffing" a cat.

                  Never had any of my horses needing a twitching.

                  I tried a couple of times to find the false nostrils on my own horses but only managed to piss the horse off so that it threw its head. Not what you want.

                  Yeah, I'd leave that to the pros, LOL.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    24 Jan 2025, 01:57

                    I've never understood "twitching." Though I get the result, I wonder about the process. I wonder if it's the same as "Scruffing" a cat.

                    Never had any of my horses needing a twitching.

                    I tried a couple of times to find the false nostrils on my own horses but only managed to piss the horse off so that it threw its head. Not what you want.

                    Yeah, I'd leave that to the pros, LOL.

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 03:10 last edited by
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                    @George-K

                    Never had any of my horses needing a twitching.

                    The only ones that needed a twitch were Arabians. Invariably the studs and one gelding who for some reason never realized he was a gelding - vet confirmed too that he wasn’t gelded proud. Used him as a teaser for the breeding mares. He’d get the mares in the mood then he’d get switched out at the last minute for the stud.

                    Elbows up!

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