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    Axtremus
    wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 16:13 last edited by
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    You may be able to get an European piano cheaper in Europe. No trans-Atlantic shipping, no Trump tariff. 😄

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      19 Jan 2025, 16:13

      You may be able to get an European piano cheaper in Europe. No trans-Atlantic shipping, no Trump tariff. 😄

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      NobodySock
      wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 16:14 last edited by
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      @Axtremus awwww, now you're talking!

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      • K Klaus
        19 Jan 2025, 14:30

        I was in a very similar situation a few years ago, with similar size and budget considerations.

        I played every grand piano I could get my hands on. My final short list was the Bösendorfer 214VC, Steinway B, Fazioli F212, Shigeru Kawai SK6, and Yamaha CF6. There are things I liked best about every one of them, but to me the Yamaha was the best of the bunch and I ended up buying it. Second best was the Fazioli. The Shigeru Kawai is the best if you consider "bang for the buck".

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        NobodySock
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        @Klaus said in Piano upgrade time:

        I was in a very similar situation a few years ago, with similar size and budget considerations.

        I played every grand piano I could get my hands on. My final short list was the Bösendorfer 214VC, Steinway B, Fazioli F212, Shigeru Kawai SK6, and Yamaha CF6. There are things I liked best about every one of them, but to me the Yamaha was the best of the bunch and I ended up buying it. Second best was the Fazioli. The Shigeru Kawai is the best if you consider "bang for the buck".

        Even more interesting that the Yamaha won you over the top brands in the world! I need to try the CF's I guess. It's just that the guy was stark raving gaga over these SX's. Not quite sure of the main differences between the two lines , I heard same parts for the most part, but maybe the CF gets built by the veterans and gets a little more attention to detail?? A Bosie and Fazioli lose to a Yamaha. Who woulda figured? No testdrives on any Estonias in your search?

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          NobodySock
          wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 16:27 last edited by
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          Oh, and what happened with Petrof over these last 20 years? They are now Tier 1 priced pianos! What happened?

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            Klaus
            wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 17:20 last edited by Klaus
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            I played a SX6 but I thought there was a huge difference between the SX6 and the CF6.

            Estonias are not well represented in the market over here. I also tried Grotrian, August Förster, SteingrÀber, C. Bechstein and every other decent brand I could get my hands on.

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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 19:11 last edited by
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              The S6X is “meh”. You need to find an S7X to try
 And a CF6. And a Bosie 214VC. You’re not going to find a new B for under $140K but might find a 5 year old piano.

              The Brad

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                Mik
                wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 20:21 last edited by Mik
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                There is so damn much variation on the B's. I played one that was the best piano I ever touched. It was magical, made me better, but it had been prepped for a concert artist. The rest of them have mostly been varying shades of unpleasant and erratic.

                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                  kluurs
                  wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 21:10 last edited by
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                  I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.

                  I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.

                  I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.

                  As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.

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                    blondie
                    wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 22:51 last edited by blondie
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                    I bought a Sauter Delta (6’something) ~2006. The Sauter Omega is the size up. I really liked mine but I was no pianist, just a grade 8/9 RCM student. In 2016 I consigned it, shipped it & it sold in a month to a jazz performer?/producer? I lost $0 on the sale of that piano. Norbert of PW used to tell me the 7’ Omega Sauters were best pianos he sold. He really liked the sound of them, everything about them. I did too 
 he drove me to a few client houses in Vancouver with Omegas to try out and to listen to. My piano tech told me that my Delta was 1 of 2 of his favourite pianos (the other being a German Steinway). I remember Mr Sauter came to my home to and played mine once. It sounded beautiful hearing someone play my piano in my own home. I don’t know what Sauters cost now.

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                      Copper
                      wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 23:01 last edited by
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                      You can find lots of MSRPs here. I have no idea if they are accurate.

                      https://pianopricepoint.com/

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                        blondie
                        wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 23:44 last edited by
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                        Holy guacamole. Prices have really gone up for new pianos.

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                        • K kluurs
                          19 Jan 2025, 21:10

                          I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.

                          I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.

                          I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.

                          As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 23:46 last edited by
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                          @kluurs said in Piano upgrade time:

                          I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.

                          I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.

                          I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.

                          As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.

                          A fully rebuilt SD10 for $5K? You couldn’t replace the strings for $5K

                          The Brad

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                            blondie
                            wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 23:51 last edited by
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                            Can a person buy a new NY Steinway in Italy?

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                              George K
                              wrote on 19 Jan 2025, 23:53 last edited by
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                              I checked that site. Seilers are made in Indonesia?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • G George K
                                19 Jan 2025, 23:53

                                I checked that site. Seilers are made in Indonesia?

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                                Copper
                                wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 00:06 last edited by
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                                @George-K said in Piano upgrade time:

                                Seilers are made in Indonesia?

                                The SE278 says Germany - $340,636

                                Some others say Indonesia, I didn't look at all.

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                                • G George K
                                  19 Jan 2025, 23:53

                                  I checked that site. Seilers are made in Indonesia?

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 00:13 last edited by
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                                  @George-K said in Piano upgrade time:

                                  I checked that site. Seilers are made in Indonesia?

                                  There’s the German limited production instruments (150 or so pianos per year), there’s the CNC production models using the German parts (Eduard Series, rated slightly above Yamaha CX and Kawai GX series) and there’s the Johannes Seilers
 Indonesian built through and through. Roughly equivalent to the Prambergers and Knabes.

                                  The Brad

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 00:17 last edited by
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                                    The Petrof 135 is now listed at almost 48 k USD.

                                    Maybe I should have kept mine another 8 years. As it was I sold mine in 2016 for what I paid for it for brand new in 2002.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • L LuFins Dad
                                      19 Jan 2025, 23:46

                                      @kluurs said in Piano upgrade time:

                                      I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.

                                      I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.

                                      I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.

                                      As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.

                                      A fully rebuilt SD10 for $5K? You couldn’t replace the strings for $5K

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                                      kluurs
                                      wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 00:59 last edited by
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                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Piano upgrade time:

                                      A fully rebuilt SD10 for $5K? You couldn’t replace the strings for $5K

                                      It was an estate and needed it gone in 4 days.

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                                        NobodySock
                                        wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 06:25 last edited by
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                                        https://www.pianomart.com/buy-a-piano/view?id=58018

                                        1986 SF10, 3 hours drive from me for 18K. Accompanying video here , whaddaya think?

                                        Link to video

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                                        • K kluurs
                                          19 Jan 2025, 21:10

                                          I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.

                                          I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.

                                          I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.

                                          As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.

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                                          NobodySock
                                          wrote on 20 Jan 2025, 06:31 last edited by
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                                          @kluurs said in Piano upgrade time:

                                          I envy you the journey. Please do keep us along for the journey. Your Steinway B - would most likely be a Hamburg instrument - so a bit different than the US version. I'm not as big a fan of new Bechsteins or Bluthners. While I appreciate Faziolis, I've not fallen in love with any.

                                          I have a B that was a custom rebuild that I got to check in on while it was being rebuilt. I also keepa digital with Pianoteq - and have access to a number of digital instruments. I've mostly been using the Bosendorfer 280VC as of late - works well with the music I'm working on.

                                          I don't know that I'll ever be in the market for another acoustic instrument though I came close to looking at a Baldwin SD10 that I could have had for an incredible price last year. It was a rebuilt instrument - and supposedly in great shape - and less than $5k. I didn't want to try it - lest I think wrong thoughts. One of my favorite piano moments was playing an SD10 a few decades ago. It was delightful.

                                          As for your journey - that $100k limit may be the challenge - but I hope you find your dream piano.

                                          I realize it closes the door on many new 7 footers. Boy, a 100K just aint what it used to be lol. I can't get too carried away with how much I would spend as there are other toys to be purchased to make this retirement complete. ducati.jpg crusier.jpg

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