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Meet the new boss..

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #3

    Remember all that happy talk about making the algorithm public?

    Haven’t heard much about that since the transaction closed.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Remember all that happy talk about making the algorithm public?

      Haven’t heard much about that since the transaction closed.

      HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      #4

      @jon-nyc said in Meet the new boss..:

      Remember all that happy talk about making the algorithm public?

      Haven’t heard much about that since the transaction closed.

      No, I don't remember all that happy talk about making the algo public.

      Education is extremely important.

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        #5

        https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-twitter-will-open-source-its-algorithm-next-week-2023-2#:~:text=Musk%2C who calls himself a,greater transparency at the platform.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          #6

          I asked grok for an update.

          IMG_2143.png

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
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            #7

            Ok then. Now I know there was talk about publishing internal details of a social mediia algo, and it didn't happen. I remain happier with Musk as an influence on my society, as compared to the previous owners of Twitter, and the previous owners of the government.

            Education is extremely important.

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              Renauda
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              #8

              Oligarchs gotta oligarch. It’s what it is.

              Oligarchs of the world unite!

              Elbows up!

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                jon-nyc
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                #9

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

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                  Doctor Phibes
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                  @jon-nyc said in Meet the new boss..:

                  Two hopelessly biased sources equals balance, right?

                  I was only joking

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    #11

                    The people that were complaining about Titter were men of principle. Just give it a few minutes for them to discover this thread and you’ll see.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      #12

                      My question is did they take steps to actively silence or mute the critics?

                      The Brad

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                        jon-nyc
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                        #13

                        A bunch of the anti-h1b maga types got demonetized and stripped of their checkmark from what I’ve read. Such are the claims anyway.

                        But just wait until Taibbi and Shellenberger get on the case. We’ll have this sorted in just a few days.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          jon-nyc
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                          #14

                          Maybe Glen Greenwald will chime in too and Bari Weis will have a roundtable about it on her podcast.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            Horace
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                            #15

                            There is no such thing as a professional pundit without a perspective that will alienate large percentages of the audience. Except Dave Barry I guess. Humor is the great unifier.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              From what I can see, the only accounts that lost their checkmark status was a few smaller accounts that doxxed Krishnan. Oh, and Laura Loomer. At the same time, there are a fair number of larger accounts that were also critical of H1B expansion, and Stu have their premium status and no drops in circulation.

                              The Brad

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                              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                From what I can see, the only accounts that lost their checkmark status was a few smaller accounts that doxxed Krishnan. Oh, and Laura Loomer. At the same time, there are a fair number of larger accounts that were also critical of H1B expansion, and Stu have their premium status and no drops in circulation.

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                                @LuFins-Dad said in Meet the new boss..:

                                From what I can see, the only accounts that lost their checkmark status was a few smaller accounts that doxxed Krishnan. Oh, and Laura Loomer. At the same time, there are a fair number of larger accounts that were also critical of H1B expansion, and Stu have their premium status and no drops in circulation.

                                Yeah. Whataboutisms are particularly weak when a small amount of something is equated with a large and more systemic amount of something.

                                And can I just re-iterate how idiotic this anti-whataboutism idea has been on this forum for years and years. It's like the people who do the most whataboutisms are also the ones who say they are logical fallacies when someone else does one.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  @LuFins-Dad said in Meet the new boss..:

                                  From what I can see, the only accounts that lost their checkmark status was a few smaller accounts that doxxed Krishnan. Oh, and Laura Loomer. At the same time, there are a fair number of larger accounts that were also critical of H1B expansion, and Stu have their premium status and no drops in circulation.

                                  Yeah. Whataboutisms are particularly weak when a small amount of something is equated with a large and more systemic amount of something.

                                  And can I just re-iterate how idiotic this anti-whataboutism idea has been on this forum for years and years. It's like the people who do the most whataboutisms are also the ones who say they are logical fallacies when someone else does one.

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                                  @Horace

                                  So then what is good or rational about employing a whataboutism tactic in a debate or contentious duscussion TNCR?

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    @Horace

                                    So then what is good or rational about employing a whataboutism tactic in a debate or contentious duscussion TNCR?

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                                    @Renauda said in Meet the new boss..:

                                    @Horace

                                    So then what is good or rational about employing a whataboutism tactic in a debate or contentious duscussion TNCR?

                                    One can deploy a whataboutism if one believes it's quantitatively the same as the other side. Establishing that is difficult, and beyond the purview of a social media post, but let's trust that we believe it.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      #20

                                      Well, I'm in the clear. I have never used the term 'logical fallacy' in my entire life. I'm not even sure what it means, TBH. I went to a comprehensive school. We always found that the words 'knobhead' and/or 'twat' didn't require consult a dictionary to determine whether or not they'd just been insulted.

                                      Oh sorry, my mistake, that would be logical Phallusy.

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                        #21

                                        It would be whattaboutism if someone posts something about blue sky censorship and you respond with ‘but whattabout Elon?!?

                                        Whattaboitism is fundamentally about changing the subject.

                                        But thanks for making the source of your misunderstanding clear from the get go. It makes it a little less tedious to respond.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          It would be whattaboutism if someone posts something about blue sky censorship and you respond with ‘but whattabout Elon?!?

                                          Whattaboitism is fundamentally about changing the subject.

                                          But thanks for making the source of your misunderstanding clear from the get go. It makes it a little less tedious to respond.

                                          HoraceH Offline
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                                          Horace
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                                          #22

                                          @jon-nyc said in Meet the new boss..:

                                          It would be whattaboutism if someone posts something about blue sky censorship and you respond with ‘but whattabout Elon?!?

                                          Whattaboitism is fundamentally about changing the subject.

                                          And then you add to the soup realpolitic, and that has the added bonus of being a foreign word, and then we know it's a great idea, and then we maybe cascade to the point of understanding that people in power will do things to advance their ideas, even if they took 5 steps back to take 6 steps forward. And then you realize the people doing the thinking are human, and do I really trust the net calculation of 6 forward and 5 back, and not really, and then you realize those 5 backwards are legislation, and will be permanent.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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