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Government Shutdown -- Winter 2024

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  • AxtremusA Away
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    Axtremus
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    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-house-speaker-defends-stopgap-spending-some-republicans-musk-balk-2024-12-18/

    Trump urges US lawmakers to reject spending bill, raising shutdown odds

    Trump and Vice President-elect JD Vance called on lawmakers to pass a different temporary spending bill than the one unveiled on Tuesday, free from what they called "Democrat giveaways." Trump also called on lawmakers to use the bill to address the nation's debt ceiling, injecting a new element of complexity into the process.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      Heard a Congress critter discussing this with Wilcow today.

      A lot of the problems in this bill stem from a small handful of Republicans who will not vote for a CR as a matter of principle. Because of that, Johnson has to go vote shopping on the Dems side of the aisle.

      The Dems know they have leverage. And their votes come dear.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        Heard a Congress critter discussing this with Wilcow today.

        A lot of the problems in this bill stem from a small handful of Republicans who will not vote for a CR as a matter of principle. Because of that, Johnson has to go vote shopping on the Dems side of the aisle.

        The Dems know they have leverage. And their votes come dear.

        AxtremusA Away
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        Axtremus
        wrote on last edited by
        #3

        @Jolly , that doesn't tell you what in the budget is objectionable.

        The Republican Party today is incapable of governing.

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          #4

          I just went through a Demo nightmare.

          I'd rather have no government rather than that silliness...

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • AxtremusA Away
            AxtremusA Away
            Axtremus
            wrote on last edited by Axtremus
            #5

            Looks like the GOP will renege on the budget and shut the government down.

            Will Trump still get to be President if there is no government? Does the inauguration need federal workers and government funding to happen?

            It's all fun and games until Social Security checks stop flowing and Medicare/Medicaid grind to a halt.

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
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              #6

              They’ll eventually do a CR to March or even July. Eventually Trump will tell them to in order to avoid (even more) chaos during his initial months. The smart thing to do is nothing until DOGE completes their work.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
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                He has two years. No time like the present to gets started.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  Screenshot 2024-12-19 at 11.24.55 AM.png

                  Supposedly there's a deal being made.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • AxtremusA Away
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                    Axtremus
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                    #9

                    Too lazy to link to a news article ...

                    Word is Congress has came up with a new funding deal that Trump says he will support.

                    What's in it? Don't know much, but there is this bit that Trump's Truth Social post calls out: it would suspend the debt ceiling for another two years, to Jan. 30, 2027, after the 2026 midterm elections.

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                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
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                      It cuts out the crap. Barebones funding deal along with $100B disaster relief. Key Bridge gets rebuilt, RFK Stadium does not. It’s also ~ 150 pages instead of 1500.

                      Democrats need to realize 2 things. 1) Trump is more popular in most of their districts than they are. 2) If the funding bill passes the House, then they will be the ones responsible for a shutdown.

                      The Brad

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        #11

                        GfMh3z5WkAAVhja.jpeg

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          GfMh3z5WkAAVhja.jpeg

                          LuFins DadL Offline
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                          LuFins Dad
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                          #12

                          @George-K said in Government Shutdown -- Winter 2024:

                          GfMh3z5WkAAVhja.jpeg

                          That’s worth a thousand words pages…

                          The Brad

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #13

                            Hakeem unhappy:

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              George K
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                              #14

                              One of the things that people were critical of is that the 1500 page document wasn't really a "continuing resolution," but an "omnibus bill" full of stuff not necessary to keep the government going.

                              The vote, tonight, will be interesting.

                              Can Johnson wrangle all the GOP? One or three defections will kill it.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                One of the things that people were critical of is that the 1500 page document wasn't really a "continuing resolution," but an "omnibus bill" full of stuff not necessary to keep the government going.

                                The vote, tonight, will be interesting.

                                Can Johnson wrangle all the GOP? One or three defections will kill it.

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                                LuFins Dad
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                                @George-K said in Government Shutdown -- Winter 2024:

                                One of the things that people were critical of is that the 1500 page document wasn't really a "continuing resolution," but an "omnibus bill" full of stuff not necessary to keep the government going.

                                The vote, tonight, will be interesting.

                                Can Johnson wrangle all the GOP? One or three defections will kill it.

                                Can he pick up a few Democrats? Abigail Spanberger needs show she’s a moderate Democrat if she’s going to win the Governorship of VA, and many of her constituents are CR dependent (for now).

                                The Brad

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  Mik
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                                  #16

                                  I like it. It's what it should be. Almost.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    One of the things that people were critical of is that the 1500 page document wasn't really a "continuing resolution," but an "omnibus bill" full of stuff not necessary to keep the government going.

                                    The vote, tonight, will be interesting.

                                    Can Johnson wrangle all the GOP? One or three defections will kill it.

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                                    taiwan_girl
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #17

                                    @George-K said in Government Shutdown -- Winter 2024:

                                    Can Johnson wrangle all the GOP?

                                    Nope

                                    https://apnews.com/live/government-shutdown-congress-spending-trump-updates

                                    The House of Representatives has rejected President-elect Donald Trump’s new plan to fund federal operations and suspend the debt ceiling a day before a government shutdown.

                                    Almost three dozen Republicans joined Democrats to vote against Trump’s sudden demands and the quick fix cobbled together by GOP leaders. The bill fell 174-235, failing to earn even a majority of votes.

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                                    • AxtremusA Away
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                                      Axtremus
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                                      The Republican Party today is incapable of governing.

                                      Sad.

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        I want to remind everyone that it was House Republicans who decided in September to have the CR expire 12/20 rather than a month or two into the new administration.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                          The Republican Party today is incapable of governing.

                                          Sad.

                                          JollyJ Offline
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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #20

                                          @Axtremus said in Government Shutdown -- Winter 2024:

                                          The Republican Party today is incapable of governing.

                                          Sad.

                                          That's what, the fourth identical comment in two days? You're griping, but you withheld your magnificence from the Dems and social media, allowing Trump to win because of your negligence? Simply because you needed to gripe? Identical gripes?

                                          That, sirrah, deserves musica!

                                          Link to video

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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