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Some Beethoven

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    George K
    wrote on 15 Dec 2024, 16:23 last edited by
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    "Just because you can doesn't mean you should."

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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Mik
      wrote on 15 Dec 2024, 17:34 last edited by
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      Ugh.

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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        taiwan_girl
        wrote on 16 Dec 2024, 19:30 last edited by
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        I actually didn't think it was that bad. 😳

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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on 16 Dec 2024, 19:44 last edited by
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          I agree with @taiwan_girl . While I would have expected somebody of his reputation to play a little more complicated of an arrangement, it was adequate if a little overly schmultzy and his liberato was very liberal. Still , in person that would have been an overwhelming experience. Pipe Organs don’t record well and need to be experienced live.

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 16 Dec 2024, 19:51 last edited by
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            I’ve been in that auditorium.

            Nothing was playing, it was in August. But we went in to have a look.

            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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              George K
              wrote on 16 Dec 2024, 23:10 last edited by
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              Well, the tempo was sluggish. Not as bad as the 1970s Boulez recording (which I can't find).

              Also, maybe it's because it's an organ, so much of the melody gets lost in the muddle of the chords.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • G George K
                16 Dec 2024, 23:10

                Well, the tempo was sluggish. Not as bad as the 1970s Boulez recording (which I can't find).

                Also, maybe it's because it's an organ, so much of the melody gets lost in the muddle of the chords.

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                Mik
                wrote on 17 Dec 2024, 00:25 last edited by
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                @George-K said in Some Beethoven:

                Also, maybe it's because it's an organ, so much of the melody gets lost in the muddle of the chords.

                This. As wonderful as pipe organs are, they cannot compete with the subtleties of an orchestra.

                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                • M Mik
                  17 Dec 2024, 00:25

                  @George-K said in Some Beethoven:

                  Also, maybe it's because it's an organ, so much of the melody gets lost in the muddle of the chords.

                  This. As wonderful as pipe organs are, they cannot compete with the subtleties of an orchestra.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 17 Dec 2024, 00:31 last edited by
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                  @Mik said in Some Beethoven:

                  As wonderful as pipe organs are, they cannot compete with the subtleties of an orchestra.

                  Yes, and the piano transcriptions are better than this as well.

                  I mentioned Boulez...I remember hearing this when it was released and being shocked.

                  "Allegro con brio?" Nah...

                  Link to video

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 17 Dec 2024, 00:42 last edited by
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                    This guy defends the slow interpretation of the Beethoven 5. In fact, according to him Boulez is too fast!

                    Link to video

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 17 Dec 2024, 00:46 last edited by
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                      Fucking Democrats.

                      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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