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    George K
    wrote on 11 Dec 2024, 20:28 last edited by
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    And faceplants:

    ProPublica covers its tracks.

    And stops "journalisming" right there.

    If you were a real journalist, you'd ask who at West Point told you this, and why they lied.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Horace
      wrote on 11 Dec 2024, 20:35 last edited by
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      He missed an opportunity to let them publish it, then dunk on them.

      Education is extremely important.

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        11 Dec 2024, 20:35

        He missed an opportunity to let them publish it, then dunk on them.

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        George K
        wrote on 11 Dec 2024, 20:42 last edited by
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        @Horace said in ProPublica tries to do a journalism.:

        He missed an opportunity to let them publish it, then dunk on them.

        Virgil: "Fama, malum qua non aliud velocius ullum." or "‘Rumour, than whom no other evil thing is faster.’"

        The preacher C. H. Spurgeon: 'A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its boots on.’

        Jonathan Swift: "Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it; so that when men come to be undeceived, it is too late; the jest is over, and the tale has had its effect: like a man, who has thought of a good repartee, when the discourse is changed, or the company parted; or like a physician, who has found out an infallible medicine, after the patient is dead."

        Attributed to Churchill, but there are earlier versions.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Horace
          wrote on 11 Dec 2024, 20:45 last edited by
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          Unambiguously true back then, but it's not quite the same calculation now with everybody jaundiced against the media and its bias, and the ability to get the truth out, and disseminated, almost immediately. I'm not saying he should have let them publish, but I don't think it's obvious that it would have had a worse outcome for him. Establishing memorable precedent of a lie against him may come in handy. This won't be that memorable.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • H Horace
            11 Dec 2024, 20:45

            Unambiguously true back then, but it's not quite the same calculation now with everybody jaundiced against the media and its bias, and the ability to get the truth out, and disseminated, almost immediately. I'm not saying he should have let them publish, but I don't think it's obvious that it would have had a worse outcome for him. Establishing memorable precedent of a lie against him may come in handy. This won't be that memorable.

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            George K
            wrote on 11 Dec 2024, 20:50 last edited by
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            @Horace said in ProPublica tries to do a journalism.:

            Establishing memorable precedent of a lie against him may come in handy.

            Good point.

            But, in terms of what gets out there, it'll seem like damage control by Hegseth.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              George K
              wrote on 11 Dec 2024, 21:03 last edited by
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              Will this employee get any blowback?

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                11 Dec 2024, 21:03

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                Will this employee get any blowback?

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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on 11 Dec 2024, 21:22 last edited by
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                @George-K said in ProPublica tries to do a journalism.:

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                Will this employee get any blowback?

                Not from Hunter…

                Oh, you mean repercussions… Possibly.

                The Brad

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                  George K
                  wrote on 12 Dec 2024, 13:03 last edited by
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                  Heh...I hinted at this upthread.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 13 Dec 2024, 13:15 last edited by
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                    "We're moving quickly and our deadline is in one hour."

                    IOW - "We already wrote it, and we're not giving you a chance to investigate and respond."

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                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 13 Dec 2024, 15:12 last edited by
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                      At the very least, somebody's getting an official reprimand.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        13 Dec 2024, 13:15

                        "We're moving quickly and our deadline is in one hour."

                        IOW - "We already wrote it, and we're not giving you a chance to investigate and respond."

                        image.jpeg

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                        George K
                        wrote on 13 Dec 2024, 15:23 last edited by
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                        @George-K said in ProPublica tries to do a journalism.:

                        "We're moving quickly and our deadline is in one hour."

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                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Horace
                          wrote on 13 Dec 2024, 15:39 last edited by Horace
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                          It would have been a blacker eye for propublica if they had published it, then got fact checked. Maybe also a blacker eye for hegseth, but that's more debatable.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on 13 Dec 2024, 20:40 last edited by
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                            I’m still a little disappointed that nobody appreciated my blowback joke…

                            The Brad

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