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Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?

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  • M mark
    10 Dec 2024, 00:27

    Jura are "Bean To Cup, Automatic Coffee Machines"

    While they are probably the best in the "Bean to Cup Full-Auto" camp, they are not a traditional E61 group-head (or even different sized group head) semi-auto or full manual espresso machine.

    Full auto machines do not have the fine level of control of the traditional machines.

    I went from a Flair Pro then to the 58+ model full manual espresso machine to a semi-auto. My semi auto cost about the same as the Flair 58+ so it is not a high-end machine. I intend to get a better machine someday soon.

    The Flair Pro3.
    https://flairespresso.com/products/espresso-makers/flair-pro-3/

    The Flair 58
    https://flairespresso.com/flair-58-first-look/

    My current semi-auto.
    https://espressooutlet.com/collections/turin-espresso-machines/products/turin-legato-espresso-machine

    An E61 that I might get in the near future.
    https://espressooutlet.com/collections/turin-espresso-machines/products/turin-gallatin-hx-espresso-machine-with-pid

    A modern semi-auto with digital pressure profiling, w/Blutooth
    https://espressooutlet.com/collections/wendougee-espresso/products/wendougee-data-s-espresso-machine

    Enjoy that Jura! They make excellent coffee.

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    Horace
    wrote on 10 Dec 2024, 03:01 last edited by
    #10

    @mark, what beans do you use? In the fully auto machines, I'm not supposed to use anything too dark and oily, so I'm going to start with a medium roast from a local roaster.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • H Horace
      10 Dec 2024, 02:58

      @jon-nyc said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

      @mark said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

      Jura are "Bean To Cup, Automatic Coffee Machines"

      While they are probably the best in the "Bean to Cup Full-Auto" camp, they are not a traditional E61 group-head (or even different sized group head) semi-auto or full manual espresso machine.

      Full auto machines do not have the fine level of control of the traditional machines.

      This belongs in the ‘Great Move’ thread with the heading ‘Mate in one’.

      I guess if you had a compulsion to see everything as a competition, and hadn't noticed I'd said in my first post that this machine does not produce espresso at the level of a manual machine, you could consider Mark's post a checkmate of sorts. But most people who buy one of these things understands that they are buying the convenience, and trading some espresso quality.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 10 Dec 2024, 03:18 last edited by jon-nyc 12 Oct 2024, 03:19
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      @Horace said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

      @jon-nyc said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

      @mark said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

      Jura are "Bean To Cup, Automatic Coffee Machines"

      While they are probably the best in the "Bean to Cup Full-Auto" camp, they are not a traditional E61 group-head (or even different sized group head) semi-auto or full manual espresso machine.

      Full auto machines do not have the fine level of control of the traditional machines.

      This belongs in the ‘Great Move’ thread with the heading ‘Mate in one’.

      I guess if you had a compulsion to see everything as a competition, and hadn't noticed I'd said in my first post that this machine does not produce espresso at the level of a manual machine, you could consider Mark's post a checkmate of sorts. But most people who buy one of these things understands that they are buying the convenience, and trading some espresso quality.

      I guess if you had a compulsion to see everything as a challenge to yourself personally, you might come to that conclusion. But most people on TNCR would see my comment as a joke playing off the well-known fact that Mark has had many hobbies over time and dives into them completely and achieves deep knowledge of the subject.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • J jon-nyc
        10 Dec 2024, 03:18

        @Horace said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

        @jon-nyc said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

        @mark said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

        Jura are "Bean To Cup, Automatic Coffee Machines"

        While they are probably the best in the "Bean to Cup Full-Auto" camp, they are not a traditional E61 group-head (or even different sized group head) semi-auto or full manual espresso machine.

        Full auto machines do not have the fine level of control of the traditional machines.

        This belongs in the ‘Great Move’ thread with the heading ‘Mate in one’.

        I guess if you had a compulsion to see everything as a competition, and hadn't noticed I'd said in my first post that this machine does not produce espresso at the level of a manual machine, you could consider Mark's post a checkmate of sorts. But most people who buy one of these things understands that they are buying the convenience, and trading some espresso quality.

        I guess if you had a compulsion to see everything as a challenge to yourself personally, you might come to that conclusion. But most people on TNCR would see my comment as a joke playing off the well-known fact that Mark has had many hobbies over time and dives into them completely and achieves deep knowledge of the subject.

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        Horace
        wrote on 10 Dec 2024, 03:23 last edited by
        #12

        @jon-nyc said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

        @Horace said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

        @jon-nyc said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

        @mark said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

        Jura are "Bean To Cup, Automatic Coffee Machines"

        While they are probably the best in the "Bean to Cup Full-Auto" camp, they are not a traditional E61 group-head (or even different sized group head) semi-auto or full manual espresso machine.

        Full auto machines do not have the fine level of control of the traditional machines.

        This belongs in the ‘Great Move’ thread with the heading ‘Mate in one’.

        I guess if you had a compulsion to see everything as a competition, and hadn't noticed I'd said in my first post that this machine does not produce espresso at the level of a manual machine, you could consider Mark's post a checkmate of sorts. But most people who buy one of these things understands that they are buying the convenience, and trading some espresso quality.

        I guess if you had a compulsion to see everything as a challenge to yourself personally, you might come to that conclusion. But most people on TNCR would see my comment as a joke playing off the well-known fact that Mark had many hobbies over time and dives into them completely and achieves deep knowledge of the subject.

        Sure jon. Your checkmate didn't relate to some game where someone wins. And you definitely don't have a compulsion to treat everything as a competition. You're like the opposite of that guy. Consider me gaslit.

        Education is extremely important.

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 10 Dec 2024, 03:25 last edited by jon-nyc 12 Oct 2024, 03:25
          #13

          I would have made the same joke if he had been responding to my post.

          We have different levels of self-confidence I guess.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • J jon-nyc
            10 Dec 2024, 03:25

            I would have made the same joke if he had been responding to my post.

            We have different levels of self-confidence I guess.

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            Horace
            wrote on 10 Dec 2024, 03:27 last edited by
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            @jon-nyc said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

            I would have made the same joke if he had been responding to my post.

            We have different levels of self-confidence I guess.

            You are definitely not compelled to treat everything as a competition. I already told you I was gaslit, no need to pile on.

            Education is extremely important.

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              Mik
              wrote on 10 Dec 2024, 04:53 last edited by
              #15

              I have a good quality manual Breville. Makes a great shot.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Mik
                wrote on 10 Dec 2024, 04:54 last edited by
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                • H Horace
                  10 Dec 2024, 03:23

                  @jon-nyc said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                  @Horace said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                  @jon-nyc said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                  @mark said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                  Jura are "Bean To Cup, Automatic Coffee Machines"

                  While they are probably the best in the "Bean to Cup Full-Auto" camp, they are not a traditional E61 group-head (or even different sized group head) semi-auto or full manual espresso machine.

                  Full auto machines do not have the fine level of control of the traditional machines.

                  This belongs in the ‘Great Move’ thread with the heading ‘Mate in one’.

                  I guess if you had a compulsion to see everything as a competition, and hadn't noticed I'd said in my first post that this machine does not produce espresso at the level of a manual machine, you could consider Mark's post a checkmate of sorts. But most people who buy one of these things understands that they are buying the convenience, and trading some espresso quality.

                  I guess if you had a compulsion to see everything as a challenge to yourself personally, you might come to that conclusion. But most people on TNCR would see my comment as a joke playing off the well-known fact that Mark had many hobbies over time and dives into them completely and achieves deep knowledge of the subject.

                  Sure jon. Your checkmate didn't relate to some game where someone wins. And you definitely don't have a compulsion to treat everything as a competition. You're like the opposite of that guy. Consider me gaslit.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 10 Dec 2024, 12:19 last edited by
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                  @Horace said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                  @jon-nyc said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                  @Horace said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                  @jon-nyc said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                  @mark said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                  Jura are "Bean To Cup, Automatic Coffee Machines"

                  While they are probably the best in the "Bean to Cup Full-Auto" camp, they are not a traditional E61 group-head (or even different sized group head) semi-auto or full manual espresso machine.

                  Full auto machines do not have the fine level of control of the traditional machines.

                  This belongs in the ‘Great Move’ thread with the heading ‘Mate in one’.

                  I guess if you had a compulsion to see everything as a competition, and hadn't noticed I'd said in my first post that this machine does not produce espresso at the level of a manual machine, you could consider Mark's post a checkmate of sorts. But most people who buy one of these things understands that they are buying the convenience, and trading some espresso quality.

                  I guess if you had a compulsion to see everything as a challenge to yourself personally, you might come to that conclusion. But most people on TNCR would see my comment as a joke playing off the well-known fact that Mark had many hobbies over time and dives into them completely and achieves deep knowledge of the subject.

                  Sure jon. Your checkmate didn't relate to some game where someone wins. And you definitely don't have a compulsion to treat everything as a competition. You're like the opposite of that guy. Consider me gaslit.

                  You two need to back off on the coffee.

                  I was only joking

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 10 Dec 2024, 12:21 last edited by Doctor Phibes 12 Oct 2024, 12:22
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                    Incidentally, I simply cannot believe that people spend three FUCKING grand on a coffee machine in order to drink a rather unsophisticated alternative to tea.

                    I was only joking

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 10 Dec 2024, 12:24 last edited by
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                      Use that inflation raise you got and git you one.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • M Mik
                        10 Dec 2024, 12:24

                        Use that inflation raise you got and git you one.

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                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on 10 Dec 2024, 12:53 last edited by Doctor Phibes 12 Oct 2024, 12:54
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                        @Mik said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                        Use that inflation raise you got and git you one.

                        I'm afraid that money was allocated fairly rapidly to a different kind of beverage, possibly helping the French and Scottish economies.

                        I was only joking

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                        • D Doctor Phibes
                          10 Dec 2024, 12:21

                          Incidentally, I simply cannot believe that people spend three FUCKING grand on a coffee machine in order to drink a rather unsophisticated alternative to tea.

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                          Horace
                          wrote on 10 Dec 2024, 12:56 last edited by
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                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                          Incidentally, I simply cannot believe that people spend three FUCKING grand on a coffee machine in order to drink a rather unsophisticated alternative to tea.

                          We got it through a friend who has a big discount on retail.

                          Education is extremely important.

                          D 1 Reply Last reply 10 Dec 2024, 13:26
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                            Horace
                            wrote on 10 Dec 2024, 12:59 last edited by
                            #22

                            Delivery is scheduled for today! I am excited.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • H Horace
                              10 Dec 2024, 12:56

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                              Incidentally, I simply cannot believe that people spend three FUCKING grand on a coffee machine in order to drink a rather unsophisticated alternative to tea.

                              We got it through a friend who has a big discount on retail.

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on 10 Dec 2024, 13:26 last edited by
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                              @Horace said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                              Incidentally, I simply cannot believe that people spend three FUCKING grand on a coffee machine in order to drink a rather unsophisticated alternative to tea.

                              We got it through a friend who has a big discount on retail.

                              Oh, it fell off the back of a lorry. That makes more sense.

                              I was only joking

                              H 1 Reply Last reply 10 Dec 2024, 13:38
                              • D Doctor Phibes
                                10 Dec 2024, 13:26

                                @Horace said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                                Incidentally, I simply cannot believe that people spend three FUCKING grand on a coffee machine in order to drink a rather unsophisticated alternative to tea.

                                We got it through a friend who has a big discount on retail.

                                Oh, it fell off the back of a lorry. That makes more sense.

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                                Horace
                                wrote on 10 Dec 2024, 13:38 last edited by
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                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                                @Horace said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Anybody have an automatic espresso machine?:

                                Incidentally, I simply cannot believe that people spend three FUCKING grand on a coffee machine in order to drink a rather unsophisticated alternative to tea.

                                We got it through a friend who has a big discount on retail.

                                Oh, it fell off the back of a lorry. That makes more sense.

                                How dare you.

                                Education is extremely important.

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