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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    https://seekingalpha.com/news/3611569-ag-barr-urges-antitrust-filing-against-google-in-weeks-nyt

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Trump may be pushing it, but it's past time to start whacking on the Standard Oil of the 21st century.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        George K
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        There was an article a couple of years ago - I think I posted it in TOCR - about someone who tried to get Google completely out of her life.

        Everything broke. Spotify wouldn't play (yeah, they store the music on Google's servers), pictures became unavailable, Uber and Lyft, which use Google maps stopped...

        The other "service" that is far below the radar is Amazon. My SIL works in advertising . He has told me that Amazon's largest source of revenue is web hosting, not sales. You'd never know it, of course.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          George K
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          Found it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/04/09/heres-the-shocking-reality-of-completely-blocking-google-from-your-life/#1f6572d41fec

          Gizmodo's Kashmir Hill recently accepted a monumental challenge: blocking tech giants from her everyday life due to privacy concerns and sheer curiosity. But she took the challenge to extreme lengths to demonstrate just how pervasive these companies are beyond just the apps they provide.

          How? By actively blocking all communication with Google's 8,699,648 (!) IP addresses on every device she owned. Not merely finding alternatives for the various Google apps we all rely on, but preventing those devices from pinging a single Google server.

          The results were both calamitous and eye-opening.

          On a technical level, Hill accomplished this with a custom VPN (virtual private network) that restricted all of her devices -- laptops, phones, smart speakers, everything -- from talking to Google servers. She then opted for app alternatives like ProtonMail, Apple Maps, Yelp and Firefox and attempted to go about living a normal life without the chains of Google attached.

          Here are some of the unexpected consequences that unfolded:

          When trying to get across town for a meeting, Hill discovered that her Uber and Lyft apps were essentially useless. That's because they rely on Google Maps.

          Hill was unable to stream her favorite on songs on Spotify. Yep. Spotify hosts all its music on the Google Cloud.
          Attempting to simply browse the web created flashbacks of the internet in the 90's. "On Airbnb, photos won’t load," Hill says. "New York Times articles won’t appear until the site has tried (and failed) to load Google Analytics, Google Pay, Google News, Google ads, and a Doubleclick tracker." Many of the sites she visited were also dependent on Google Fonts. . .

          When trying to share video journals to her colleagues at Gizmodo, Dropbox refused to let her log in because the service uses an invisible CAPTCHA -- hosted by Google -- to verify that real humans are trying to access it.

          Hill discovered that after only a few hours into her experiment, her various devices had tried to ping Google servers more than 15,000 times. After one week, that number had ballooned to more than 100,000. Apparently that number paled in comparison to her "block Amazon challenge" which revealed 293,000 attempted pings to Amazon servers in one short week.

          Ultimately, Hill walked away from the experience feeling recharged because she wasn't as reliant on her devices, but observes that the downfall of switching away from even a handful of Google apps means literally a higher cost of living. Paying for decentralized, private services like ProtonMail and other alternatives that don't trade service fees for your personal data can add up fast.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            There was an article a couple of years ago - I think I posted it in TOCR - about someone who tried to get Google completely out of her life.

            Everything broke. Spotify wouldn't play (yeah, they store the music on Google's servers), pictures became unavailable, Uber and Lyft, which use Google maps stopped...

            The other "service" that is far below the radar is Amazon. My SIL works in advertising . He has told me that Amazon's largest source of revenue is web hosting, not sales. You'd never know it, of course.

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            @George-K said in Barr urges antitrust filing against Google:

            There was an article a couple of years ago - I think I posted it in TOCR - about someone who tried to get Google completely out of her life.

            Everything broke. Spotify wouldn't play (yeah, they store the music on Google's servers), pictures became unavailable, Uber and Lyft, which use Google maps stopped...

            The other "service" that is far below the radar is Amazon. My SIL works in advertising . He has told me that Amazon's largest source of revenue is web hosting, not sales. You'd never know it, of course.

            having just gone through a migration from CenturyLink to AWS (Amazon Web Services) last year, yeah, I believe it. It's huge.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              AWS (Amazon) and Google Compute are B2B products though. Google and AWS don’t have access to the information running on those resources. It’s the consumer facing services that are the problem.

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              • X xenon

                AWS (Amazon) and Google Compute are B2B products though. Google and AWS don’t have access to the information running on those resources. It’s the consumer facing services that are the problem.

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                George K
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                @xenon said in Barr urges antitrust filing against Google:

                Google and AWS don’t have access to the information running on those resources.

                That's what they want you to think, Padawan.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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