So how should I resign?
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 18:14 last edited by
I have nothing to add to the thoughts that everyone else has expressed.
Just hope it works out for you - and I think it will.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 20:36 last edited by
@Aqua-Letifer said in So how should I resign?:
h love to see me fired.
On the other side of things you have many staff members who have problems with her, and have vouched for me, as is my boss and the EA.
I'm torn between seeing all this out, out of respect foMy guess is that HR may be facing their own issues from this. You mentioned that HR actually made this hire? And they keep backing her? On top of that, who filed the Notice of Final Action and what was that concerning? If it was based on all of these recent interactions with this lady, your HR person may be sweating.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in So how should I resign?:
h love to see me fired.
On the other side of things you have many staff members who have problems with her, and have vouched for me, as is my boss and the EA.
I'm torn between seeing all this out, out of respect foMy guess is that HR may be facing their own issues from this. You mentioned that HR actually made this hire? And they keep backing her? On top of that, who filed the Notice of Final Action and what was that concerning? If it was based on all of these recent interactions with this lady, your HR person may be sweating.
wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 21:38 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in So how should I resign?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in So how should I resign?:
h love to see me fired.
On the other side of things you have many staff members who have problems with her, and have vouched for me, as is my boss and the EA.
I'm torn between seeing all this out, out of respect foMy guess is that HR may be facing their own issues from this. You mentioned that HR actually made this hire? And they keep backing her? On top of that, who filed the Notice of Final Action and what was that concerning? If it was based on all of these recent interactions with this lady, your HR person may be sweating.
It was a joke taken very seriously by HR and the dept. head. She basically signed me up to work Mother's Day Sunday without really telling me that was the plan, so when I told her I'd be unavailable she lost her shit and told me I needed to clear all my weekend activities with her. I clarified this in an e-mail by asking her if I understood that correctly. (I was documenting.)
Apparently that was belligerent, disrespectful, and antagonistic, which the HR person agreed. We all had a meeting in which they read me the riot act, and asked me to sign a document confirming that I understood the allegations, and that if there was ever another incident, I would be summarily fired. I signed, but in the comments section, I mentioned that I was concerned that when I reached out to HR about previous issues with the department head regarding office bullying, she directed me to speak to the department head about it and further, when I did, both of them agreed that bullying allegations of that nature need to be directed to the department head, even if the allegations are directed at the department head. All this was said to me in the meeting, and my boss was on the call. Further, they didn't deny it. So that's in the final action notice. I sent them back a scanned PDF so they couldn't delete that part of it without some serious file manipulation.
So that was that.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 21:55 last edited by
I remember that incident, but they said the fact that you asked for clarification and were documenting the email chain was bullying, antagonistic, and disrespectful? They then proceeded to bully you and document it with an official notice?
Yeah, this HR person is getting nervous.
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@LuFins-Dad said in So how should I resign?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in So how should I resign?:
h love to see me fired.
On the other side of things you have many staff members who have problems with her, and have vouched for me, as is my boss and the EA.
I'm torn between seeing all this out, out of respect foMy guess is that HR may be facing their own issues from this. You mentioned that HR actually made this hire? And they keep backing her? On top of that, who filed the Notice of Final Action and what was that concerning? If it was based on all of these recent interactions with this lady, your HR person may be sweating.
It was a joke taken very seriously by HR and the dept. head. She basically signed me up to work Mother's Day Sunday without really telling me that was the plan, so when I told her I'd be unavailable she lost her shit and told me I needed to clear all my weekend activities with her. I clarified this in an e-mail by asking her if I understood that correctly. (I was documenting.)
Apparently that was belligerent, disrespectful, and antagonistic, which the HR person agreed. We all had a meeting in which they read me the riot act, and asked me to sign a document confirming that I understood the allegations, and that if there was ever another incident, I would be summarily fired. I signed, but in the comments section, I mentioned that I was concerned that when I reached out to HR about previous issues with the department head regarding office bullying, she directed me to speak to the department head about it and further, when I did, both of them agreed that bullying allegations of that nature need to be directed to the department head, even if the allegations are directed at the department head. All this was said to me in the meeting, and my boss was on the call. Further, they didn't deny it. So that's in the final action notice. I sent them back a scanned PDF so they couldn't delete that part of it without some serious file manipulation.
So that was that.
wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 21:55 last edited by George K@Aqua-Letifer said in So how should I resign?:
I needed to clear ALL my weekend activities with her.
(emphasis added)
What the actual fuck?
Does that include, "I'm going to ride my bike?" How about "I plan to have sex with my wife?" or, "I plan to shower on Sunday morning?"
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@Aqua-Letifer said in So how should I resign?:
I needed to clear ALL my weekend activities with her.
(emphasis added)
What the actual fuck?
Does that include, "I'm going to ride my bike?" How about "I plan to have sex with my wife?" or, "I plan to shower on Sunday morning?"
wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 21:59 last edited by@George-K said in So how should I resign?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in So how should I resign?:
I needed to clear ALL my weekend activities with her.
(emphasis added)
What the actual fuck?
Does that include, "I'm going to ride my bike?" How about "I plan to have sex with my wife?" or, "I plan to shower on Sunday morning?"
Thing is, what the dept. head meant (I believe) was, "if I need you to be available, you need to know that and tell me ahead of time that you have plans so that I can tell you whether or not I need you to cancel them." But I think the email was sent in anger and so the language wasn't the clearest. Just a guess.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 22:06 last edited by
Nonetheless, that is the written trail. Intent is unlikely to override specificity should push come to shove.
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Nonetheless, that is the written trail. Intent is unlikely to override specificity should push come to shove.
wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 22:10 last edited by@Mik said in So how should I resign?:
Nonetheless, that is the written trail. Intent is unlikely to override specificity should push come to shove.
Exactly. That email says that you must be available ALL THE TIME. Is that part of your job description? I'd guess not.
And, as Mik says, it's in writing, and vague enough to be actionable.
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@Mik said in So how should I resign?:
Nonetheless, that is the written trail. Intent is unlikely to override specificity should push come to shove.
Exactly. That email says that you must be available ALL THE TIME. Is that part of your job description? I'd guess not.
And, as Mik says, it's in writing, and vague enough to be actionable.
wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 22:24 last edited by@George-K said in So how should I resign?:
@Mik said in So how should I resign?:
Nonetheless, that is the written trail. Intent is unlikely to override specificity should push come to shove.
Exactly. That email says that you must be available ALL THE TIME.
Yes. And she also told me over the phone that mine is a "24/7 job." I have that conversation logged as well.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 22:34 last edited by
A 24/7 job? For a non-profit? Please.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 22:35 last edited by
@Mik said in So how should I resign?:
A 24/7 job? For a non-profit? Please.
Exactly. Is that in your contract/job-description? If not, well, you have some serious ammunition there.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 22:53 last edited by
Long, long ago the person I was working for was fired. I immediately stepped up and was made the interim manager of the department and remained so for over a year. At the of the next year, our office was documented as one of 3 exemplary programs among some 20 across the country. I had brought order from chaos. In addition to being the program head, I was also the lead producer and edited a national newsletter and represented even got a commendation for providing assistance to a congressional hearing.
The only problem? With the exception of the receptionist, I was the least paid of staff. One of the people working for me didn't even have a college degree. I went to my boss - and said I wanted to make what the non-college educated person was making - not what the highest paid person in the department - just so I wasn't the lowest paid person. Seem reasonable?
"I'm not comfortable with that..." was her response.
I submitted my resignation the next day. To be honest, I blew it - two different ways. First, people above my boss asked me if there was anything they could do. I said something about going to school full-time rather than explaining the stupidity of the salary situation. Second thing was that I was out of work for several months - and they fought unemployment. I screwed myself at a time in my life when I could ill afford such theatrics.
I should have either taken the salary business up with higher ups and likely would have gotten support - or else, found something somewhere else - and then told them adios.
As it was, my boss hired a PhD which was always her fantasy - and within a couple of years, the program was on probation. I stopped by the office a couple few years later - no one there who had worked with me - but the people there treated me as though I was a legend. It was universally understood by people in the department and throughout the organization that my time there represented the high water mark of performance.
It was nice to know that I'd done well - but not at the expense of screwing myself.
As for your situation, let her bring it on. At worst, it was a misunderstanding. On the 10 point list of annoyances, probably a 2.
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@Mik said in So how should I resign?:
A 24/7 job? For a non-profit? Please.
Exactly. Is that in your contract/job-description? If not, well, you have some serious ammunition there.
wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 23:25 last edited by@George-K said in So how should I resign?:
@Mik said in So how should I resign?:
A 24/7 job? For a non-profit? Please.
Exactly. Is that in your contract/job-description? If not, well, you have some serious ammunition there.
I asked for clarification on that, actually. I was told that the dept head could change it at any minute. I asked if that was the case, I'd like an updated one. The HR person outright refused.
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@George-K said in So how should I resign?:
@Mik said in So how should I resign?:
A 24/7 job? For a non-profit? Please.
Exactly. Is that in your contract/job-description? If not, well, you have some serious ammunition there.
I asked for clarification on that, actually. I was told that the dept head could change it at any minute. I asked if that was the case, I'd like an updated one. The HR person outright refused.
wrote on 17 Sept 2020, 23:27 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in So how should I resign?:
@George-K said in So how should I resign?:
@Mik said in So how should I resign?:
A 24/7 job? For a non-profit? Please.
Exactly. Is that in your contract/job-description? If not, well, you have some serious ammunition there.
I asked for clarification on that, actually. I was told that the dept head could change it at any minute. I asked if that was the case, I'd like an updated one. The HR person outright refused.
Nope nope nope. This is not what you signed up for, and they're changing it without notification.
Find a lawyer.
It's one thing to be a pain in the ass, but to sue someone, well, that's a whole 'nother thing.
You don't have to actually sue, but this sounds like something that would make a labor-relations attorney salivate.
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wrote on 18 Sept 2020, 00:00 last edited by
I agree with George. You could find an attorney. But, is it worth it, as opposed to just getting the hell away from these people?
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I agree with George. You could find an attorney. But, is it worth it, as opposed to just getting the hell away from these people?
wrote on 18 Sept 2020, 00:06 last edited by@Rainman said in So how should I resign?:
I agree with George. You could find an attorney. But, is it worth it, as opposed to just getting the hell away from these people?
The great debate. I really don't know.
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I have nothing to add to the thoughts that everyone else has expressed.
Just hope it works out for you - and I think it will.
wrote on 18 Sept 2020, 01:14 last edited by@George-K said in So how should I resign?:
I have nothing to add to the thoughts that everyone else has expressed.
Just hope it works out for you - and I think it will.
What GoegreK said. Good luck!!!!
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I agree with George. You could find an attorney. But, is it worth it, as opposed to just getting the hell away from these people?
wrote on 18 Sept 2020, 01:15 last edited by@Rainman said in So how should I resign?:
I agree with George. You could find an attorney. But, is it worth it, as opposed to just getting the hell away from these people?
Ask the lawyer. They'll know.
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@Rainman said in So how should I resign?:
I agree with George. You could find an attorney. But, is it worth it, as opposed to just getting the hell away from these people?
Ask the lawyer. They'll know.
wrote on 18 Sept 2020, 01:41 last edited by George K@Jolly said in So how should I resign?:
Ask the lawyer. They'll know.
"How much will it cost?"
"How much will you gain?"
"Is it worth it?"
Do you feel lucky?
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@Rainman said in So how should I resign?:
I agree with George. You could find an attorney. But, is it worth it, as opposed to just getting the hell away from these people?
Ask the lawyer. They'll know.
wrote on 18 Sept 2020, 13:59 last edited by@Jolly said in So how should I resign?:
@Rainman said in So how should I resign?:
I agree with George. You could find an attorney. But, is it worth it, as opposed to just getting the hell away from these people?
Ask the lawyer. They'll know.
@kluurs is a lawyer. It does not read like @kluurs is recommending litigation.
As for @Aqua-Letifer, sorry man, that your work life sucks for you right now. May be one course of action may yield more material gains than another, but may eat at your psyche inside. It's one of those "money vs. soul, which is one more important" questions. Having read your posts in TNCR for so many years, this wouldn't be the first time you choose "not money" and may be that's what's needed for you to be able to live with yourself. No judgement either way. I have seen people make different weighings between "putting up with The Man to make more money" and "giving The Man the finger to live happier" at different times in the lives. They each have to balance financial well-being with psychological health from moment to moment. Just got to do what's right for you and for the people you love who may depend on you. Good luck, man.
