"How do we deal with these people?"

[Tom-K]

I completely agree with that. But the Catholic Church has shot itself in the foot, grievously, with it's priest sex issues and is playing catchup and it will take quite a while--a long while, before it can be a completely authoritative moral voice again.

[Horace]

It'll never be an authoritative moral voice again, but it is less uncool these days than it was 20 years ago. Sneering at religion is more of a signal these days that one is an educated white mainstream elite (i.e. a cultural conservative). Religion is a little bit edgy and cool from that perspective. Specifically, Christianity.

[Jolly]

@Tom-K said in "How do we deal with these people?":

I completely agree with that. But the Catholic Church has shot itself in the foot, grievously, with it's priest sex issues and is playing catchup and it will take quite a while--a long while, before it can be a completely authoritative moral voice again.

Turn back the clock and let them marry. You'll still have some guys that will sin mightily (we all do), but it might cut down on the pedophiles.

[Renauda]

@Horace

Sneering at religion is more of a signal these days that one is an educated white mainstream elite (i.e. a cultural conservative). Religion is a little bit edgy and cool from that perspective. Specifically, Christianity.

Educated white liberals started sneering at organised religion around the time of the American Revolution if not a bit earlier. It was then that the “cultural conservatives who, for the most part also well educated, defended organized religion.

I do not believe for a second that what you are saying is anything new. The lines and demographics may have shuffled and shifted around, but the sneering duality has been a characteristic of Western society since the Descartes.

[Horace]

@Renauda said in "How do we deal with these people?":

@Horace

Sneering at religion is more of a signal these days that one is an educated white mainstream elite (i.e. a cultural conservative). Religion is a little bit edgy and cool from that perspective. Specifically, Christianity.

Educated white liberals started sneering at organised religion around the time of the American Revolution if not a bit earlier. It was then that the “cultural conservatives who, for the most part also well educated, defended organized religion.

I do not believe for a second that what you are saying is anything new. The lines and demographics may have shuffled and shifted around, but the sneering duality has been a characteristic of Western society since the Descartes.

I'm mostly trying to find framings that are not new. Cultural conservatives will behave a certain way, will have certain psychological characteristics, etc. The religion thing is only new in that for the first time in my life, religion is seen as a feature of the counter-culture.

[Renauda]

The religion thing is only new in that for the first time in my life, religion is seen as a feature of the counter-culture.

I don’t see that at all here. Ever since I can remember there were some families that went to church, a few others attended church on occasion and, still others never went to church other than to other people’s weddings and funerals. Never seemed to be much of an issue. Still isn’t as far as I can tell.

[Horace]

Respect for Christianity is a common theme in popular media that targets young men. Very common everywhere in the Rogan orbit, for instance.

[Renauda]

…common theme in popular media that targets young men.

Well that explains why I am unawakened to the phenomenon.

BTW, what is popular media? Anything like what we ancients used to refer to as the slick press?

[Horace]

@Renauda said in "How do we deal with these people?":

…common theme in popular media that targets young men.

Well that explains why I am unawakened to the phenomenon.

BTW, what is popular media? Anything like what we ancients used to refer to as the slick press?

Podcasts, youtube channels.

[Renauda]

Clearly not slick press as I understand the term. Still, I too watch presentations on both mentioned media forms but on topics and issues tending toward the arcane humanistic fine arts and political/military historical rather than the current angst ridden progressive zeitgeist kulture - a subject that frankly bores me to no end.

[Tom-K]

@Renauda said in "How do we deal with these people?":

Clearly not slick press as I understand the term. Still, I too watch presentations on both mentioned media forms but on topics and issues tending toward the arcane humanistic fine arts and political/military historical rather than the current angst ridden progressive zeitgeist kulture - a subject that frankly bores me to no end.

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