Could Anything Have Been Done Different?
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wrote on 8 Nov 2024, 20:41 last edited by
I think the tag line of Kamala being for they/them, Trump is there for you…
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wrote on 8 Nov 2024, 20:46 last edited by
The focus on everyone having to cater to a tiny and arguably delusional minority did not sit well with voters.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 15:41 last edited by
So does anybody really think that things would have had different results if Biden would have withdrawn before the primary season or if another candidate would have been named? Once the polls with their built in error was showing Trump at 48%, it was really over, in hindsight.
Again, there were no undecided voters choosing who, they were undecided on if.
$7 butter.
All of the new job growth going to migrant labor
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers/job-gains-are-going-to-immigrants-and-keeping-young-us-born-men-out-of-the-workforce/ar-BB1ieibIBeing told this was normal:
While arresting parents and calling parents at school board meetings terrorists.
https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/3aeb27a24b457570ef79af3241c7100aAn administration that wouldn't firmly and fully embrace their only ally in the Middle East, tacitly took on an antisemitic stance and quietly emboldened terror organizations, while losing the support of one of their staunchest voting blocks/donors, etc... And they still pissed off the Muslim community.
What could have gone differently? Absolutely nothing as the Democrat party has finally and completely gone over the cliff into insanity. They are morally and intellectually bankrupt, and can no longer apply reason and thought to the issues concerning this nation and instead focus on the "feels" and emotions.
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So does anybody really think that things would have had different results if Biden would have withdrawn before the primary season or if another candidate would have been named? Once the polls with their built in error was showing Trump at 48%, it was really over, in hindsight.
Again, there were no undecided voters choosing who, they were undecided on if.
$7 butter.
All of the new job growth going to migrant labor
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers/job-gains-are-going-to-immigrants-and-keeping-young-us-born-men-out-of-the-workforce/ar-BB1ieibIBeing told this was normal:
While arresting parents and calling parents at school board meetings terrorists.
https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/3aeb27a24b457570ef79af3241c7100aAn administration that wouldn't firmly and fully embrace their only ally in the Middle East, tacitly took on an antisemitic stance and quietly emboldened terror organizations, while losing the support of one of their staunchest voting blocks/donors, etc... And they still pissed off the Muslim community.
What could have gone differently? Absolutely nothing as the Democrat party has finally and completely gone over the cliff into insanity. They are morally and intellectually bankrupt, and can no longer apply reason and thought to the issues concerning this nation and instead focus on the "feels" and emotions.
wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 18:14 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
So does anybody really think that things would have had different results if Biden would have withdrawn before the primary season or if another candidate would have been named? Once the polls with their built in error was showing Trump at 48%, it was really over, in hindsight.
Again, there were no undecided voters choosing who, they were undecided on if.
$7 butter.
They could have crafted a narrative of doing something different from the current administration. They chose "more of same" messaging instead. I don't buy any notion that this election was a done deal months ago.
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wrote on 10 Nov 2024, 03:09 last edited by
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wrote on 10 Nov 2024, 09:21 last edited by
Interesting graph. One of President Trumps main campaign items in 2016 and 2020 was how much better he would be in controlling the border. Hmmmm, doesnt seem that way.....
Of course, in 2024, the bar is set so low, that it will be difficult not to clear. LOL
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Interesting graph. One of President Trumps main campaign items in 2016 and 2020 was how much better he would be in controlling the border. Hmmmm, doesnt seem that way.....
Of course, in 2024, the bar is set so low, that it will be difficult not to clear. LOL
wrote on 10 Nov 2024, 13:11 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
Hmmmm, doesnt seem that way..
With the exception of 2019, he did as well as anyone in the 7 years before him.
A bit of a longer timeframe:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/
Apprehensions and expulsions registered by the United States Border Patrol from the 1990 fiscal year to the 2023 fiscal year
More here:
https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/
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@taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
Hmmmm, doesnt seem that way..
With the exception of 2019, he did as well as anyone in the 7 years before him.
A bit of a longer timeframe:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/
Apprehensions and expulsions registered by the United States Border Patrol from the 1990 fiscal year to the 2023 fiscal year
More here:
https://usafacts.org/articles/what-can-the-data-tell-us-about-unauthorized-immigration/
wrote on 10 Nov 2024, 13:41 last edited by@George-K I dont disagree. But, based on what he campaigns, he basically said he shut down the border.
The reality is that (and I did not do the math) it appears that President Obama average rate of illegals from 2013-2016 was lower than the average illegals under President Trump from 2017-2020
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wrote on 10 Nov 2024, 17:11 last edited by
Depression.
People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Depression.
People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.
wrote on 10 Nov 2024, 19:38 last edited by@Jolly said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.
The economy under the Biden administration is GREAT, that’s why so many people want to come here under the Biden administration.
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@Jolly said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.
The economy under the Biden administration is GREAT, that’s why so many people want to come here under the Biden administration.
wrote on 10 Nov 2024, 20:20 last edited by@Axtremus said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
@Jolly said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.
The economy under the Biden administration is GREAT, that’s why so many people want to come here under the Biden administration.
I guess you're one of those people out to prove two plus two does not equal four.
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Depression.
People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.
wrote on 11 Nov 2024, 02:29 last edited by@Jolly said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
Depression.
People don't tend to want to come to your country during an economic depression.
GDP
2013. 2.12
2014. 2.52
2015. 2.95
2016. 1.82. (AVG = 2.20). Obama 2nd term
2017. 2.46
2018. 2.97
2019. 2.47
2020. -2.21. (AVG = 1.42). Trump term -
wrote on 11 Nov 2024, 02:41 last edited by
Okay, you're right and 72M Americans are wrong.
Next...
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wrote on 11 Nov 2024, 02:47 last edited by
Do you disagree that total overall illegal border crossings during the first term of President Trump were higher than the last four years of President Obama?
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Do you disagree that total overall illegal border crossings during the first term of President Trump were higher than the last four years of President Obama?
wrote on 11 Nov 2024, 02:51 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
Do you disagree that total overall illegal border crossings during the first term of President Trump were higher than the last four years of President Obama?
I agree that total observed border crossings were somewhat higher, yes. But those stats are observed. The number of border patrol agents were higher and the number of possible entry points were lower..
The Brad
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wrote on 11 Nov 2024, 02:55 last edited by Jolly 11 Nov 2024, 10:41
Trump flipped a South Texas county. A county populated by greater than 90% Latinos. A county that had not gone Republican for over 100 years.
Go crawl up on a hickory stump and peddle those papers to them.
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wrote on 11 Nov 2024, 03:09 last edited by
I hope there exists a sweet spot, after Trump starts doing something about the border, where TG will appreciate that he's doing what he said he'd do, but not yet criticizing him for being mean to illegal immigrants. There will be no such sweet spot TDS sufferers, but our TG isn't really a TDS sufferer.
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@taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
Do you disagree that total overall illegal border crossings during the first term of President Trump were higher than the last four years of President Obama?
I agree that total observed border crossings were somewhat higher, yes. But those stats are observed. The number of border patrol agents were higher and the number of possible entry points were lower..
wrote on 11 Nov 2024, 10:12 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
@taiwan_girl said in Could Anything Have Been Done Different?:
Do you disagree that total overall illegal border crossings during the first term of President Trump were higher than the last four years of President Obama?
I agree that total observed border crossings were somewhat higher, yes. But those stats are observed. The number of border patrol agents were higher and the number of possible entry points were lower..
DOnt want to go too far into the "weeds", but data shows border patrol agents were about the Trump vs. Obama years
https://www.cbp.gov/document/stats/us-border-patrol-fiscal-year-staffing-statistics-fy-1992-fy-2020My point for @jolly is that President Trump is very good with the "qualitative" things but his record is not so great on the "quantitative" things. Or at least as great his followers claim.
His numbers just dont prove that he was so great on reducing illegal entry or on the economy. His campaign in 2016 and 2020 (and 2024) were based on this.
I am not saying he did a terrible job as president but I think it is a false story to claim that he was so great compared to Obama/Bush/Clinton, etc. (Of course, President Biden has set the bar so low that not hard to run against his tenure.)
Would Sec. Clinton have done better? Doubtful, but it is hard to prove a negative.
Federal hiring up during his term
Debt up during his term
Money supply up during his term
GDP down
Unemployment up
manufacturing jobs down
etc.Were some of the above numbers affected by COVID? Of course. But........ a person is president for four years, and that includes the good AND bad times. You cannot pick cherries. Just like a sports team whose star player is injured and cannot play. "We would have won the championship if XXX was not injured." Well, he was, and we didnt.
I think that President Trumps greatest strength is that he can make you feel good, even more than the numbers really show.
I guess we will revisit in four years.
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wrote on 11 Nov 2024, 10:49 last edited by
Almost 75M votes. 312 Electoral College votes.
TG, you're screaming at trees in the wilderness. I don't know if all of your statistics are right or not. Most of the American public pays more attention to what they see and experience. They know what life was like under Trump and they know what life was like under Biden.
The contest has been waged and decided.
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wrote on 11 Nov 2024, 10:50 last edited by
You realize that’s a cop out, right? You make a claim, she proves you wrong with data. At least concede the point before changing the subject.
