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    Doctor Phibes
    wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 11:12 last edited by
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    Don’t forget stopping all those Chinese cars that are just everywhere.

    I was only joking

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    • J jon-nyc
      11 Oct 2024, 09:59

      Trump in Michigan yesterday. Proposes to make car loan interest tax deductible.

      https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-propose-making-car-loan-interest-tax-deductible-speech-2024-10-10/

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      Jolly
      wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 13:46 last edited by
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      @jon-nyc said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

      Trump in Michigan yesterday. Proposes to make car loan interest tax deductible.

      https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-propose-making-car-loan-interest-tax-deductible-speech-2024-10-10/

      Only if the car is made in America.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • J Jolly
        11 Oct 2024, 13:46

        @jon-nyc said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

        Trump in Michigan yesterday. Proposes to make car loan interest tax deductible.

        https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-propose-making-car-loan-interest-tax-deductible-speech-2024-10-10/

        Only if the car is made in America.

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 13:51 last edited by
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        @Jolly said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

        @jon-nyc said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

        Trump in Michigan yesterday. Proposes to make car loan interest tax deductible.

        https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-propose-making-car-loan-interest-tax-deductible-speech-2024-10-10/

        Only if the car is made in America.

        Nice free market-consumer choice that you have there.

        The Brad

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        • L LuFins Dad
          11 Oct 2024, 13:51

          @Jolly said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

          @jon-nyc said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

          Trump in Michigan yesterday. Proposes to make car loan interest tax deductible.

          https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-propose-making-car-loan-interest-tax-deductible-speech-2024-10-10/

          Only if the car is made in America.

          Nice free market-consumer choice that you have there.

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          Jolly
          wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 13:54 last edited by
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          @LuFins-Dad said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

          @Jolly said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

          @jon-nyc said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

          Trump in Michigan yesterday. Proposes to make car loan interest tax deductible.

          https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-propose-making-car-loan-interest-tax-deductible-speech-2024-10-10/

          Only if the car is made in America.

          Nice free market-consumer choice that you have there.

          Well, they make Hyundai, Toyotas, Hondas, etc in the U.S.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            Mik
            wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 13:55 last edited by
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            Why not? The Dems have been promising gimmes forever. At least that benefits domestic manufacturing.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • J Jolly
              11 Oct 2024, 13:54

              @LuFins-Dad said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

              @Jolly said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

              @jon-nyc said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

              Trump in Michigan yesterday. Proposes to make car loan interest tax deductible.

              https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-propose-making-car-loan-interest-tax-deductible-speech-2024-10-10/

              Only if the car is made in America.

              Nice free market-consumer choice that you have there.

              Well, they make Hyundai, Toyotas, Hondas, etc in the U.S.

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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 14:27 last edited by
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              @Jolly said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

              @LuFins-Dad said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

              @Jolly said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

              @jon-nyc said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

              Trump in Michigan yesterday. Proposes to make car loan interest tax deductible.

              https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-propose-making-car-loan-interest-tax-deductible-speech-2024-10-10/

              Only if the car is made in America.

              Nice free market-consumer choice that you have there.

              Well, they make Hyundai, Toyotas, Hondas, etc in the U.S.

              1. So what? It’s still restricting and manipulating the free market. Not because of necessity, but because of a desired outcome. That always bites you in the ass.

              2. So German cars don’t exist now? Plus there are still models of the Japanese and Korean manufacturers not made in the US.

              3. Good lord, this just makes income taxes more and more difficult when it should get simpler.

              4. Ultimately, most people will still be taking the standard deduction.

              5. You’re actually rewarding poor credit. Those with poor credit are financed at higher rates, meaning they get more of a deduction.

              6. How pissed do you think the average Joe is going to be when he finds out the Ford Focus he bought isn’t eligible while his neighbor’s Nissan Versa is…

              The Brad

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              • M Mik
                11 Oct 2024, 13:55

                Why not? The Dems have been promising gimmes forever. At least that benefits domestic manufacturing.

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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 14:31 last edited by
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                @Mik said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

                Why not? The Dems have been promising gimmes forever. At least that benefits domestic manufacturing.

                No, it punishes foreign. On a larger scale, this is like giving grade bumps to disadvantaged students. This doesn’t promote excellence but instead promotes mediocrity.

                The Brad

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 15:13 last edited by
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                  Not entirely. The proposal revolves around where the vehicle is manufactured. If a foreign company wants to pursue the American market, build your vehicles in America.

                  Give you an example...Hyundai and LG are dropping over $7B in Georgia to build a battery plant and a vehicle assembly plant: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/hyundai-begins-producing-electric-suvs-at-its-76-billion-plant-in-georgia/ar-AA1rRq6I?ocid=BingNewsSerp

                  Between the two, they're talking 8500 jobs at max capacity. And don't forget the construction jobs.

                  Now, Trump may be just be engaged in campaign spitballing and it may be DOA in congress, but it is innovative.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 16:49 last edited by
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                    It’s old and new. Remember when all interest was tax deducible?

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                    • J jon-nyc
                      11 Oct 2024, 16:49

                      It’s old and new. Remember when all interest was tax deducible?

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                      George K
                      wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 16:50 last edited by
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                      @jon-nyc said in Another audience, another tax carve out:

                      It’s old and new. Remember when all interest was tax deducible?

                      Remember when sales tax, or any other tax, was deductible?

                      Losing deductions was supposed to be the tradeoff for lower rates.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 16:52 last edited by
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                        I didn’t pay income taxes back then but I remember my friends mother kept any and all receipts. She’d have hundreds at the end of the year for her accountant to tally up.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • J jon-nyc
                          11 Oct 2024, 16:52

                          I didn’t pay income taxes back then but I remember my friends mother kept any and all receipts. She’d have hundreds at the end of the year for her accountant to tally up.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 16:52 last edited by
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                          @jon-nyc I did. All local taxes on phone, utilities, etc. Deducted them all.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 11 Oct 2024, 16:58 last edited by
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                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 14 Oct 2024, 23:09 last edited by
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                              Another audience, another giveaway.

                              Seems vaguely racialist to me.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 15 Oct 2024, 00:56 last edited by jon-nyc
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                                Seems vaguely racialist to me.

                                It’s carefully written, e.g., “For Black Men (sic*) and others…”. They seem to have learned about the 14th amendment sometime in the last four years.

                                *Capitalization error in the original

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on 15 Oct 2024, 13:43 last edited by
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                                  Wait, is she not so subtly saying “we’re going to set you up as legal dope dealers”?

                                  The Brad

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 15 Oct 2024, 13:53 last edited by
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                                    Pretty much.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 19 Oct 2024, 21:32 last edited by
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                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 19 Oct 2024, 21:47 last edited by
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                                        Jesus.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          LuFins Dad
                                          wrote on 19 Oct 2024, 22:04 last edited by
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                                          Uh, no.

                                          The Brad

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