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Election Lawfare

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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    The GOP really believes in "lawfare," I suppose ...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/29/us/politics/trump-2024-presidential-campaign-election-lawsuits.html?unlocked_article_code=1.OU4.dB6I.idvboyNY5ygt

    Trump Allies Bombard the Courts, Setting Stage for Post-Election Fight
    Republicans are filing a barrage of election lawsuits in the final weeks of the presidential campaign.

    The onslaught of litigation, much of it landing in recent weeks, includes nearly 90 lawsuits filed across the country by Republican groups this year. The legal push is already more than three times the number of lawsuits filed before Election Day in 2020 ...

    Voting rights experts say the legal campaign appears to be an effort to prepare to contest the results of the presidential election after Election Day should former President Donald J. Trump, the Republican nominee, lose and refuse to accept his defeat as he did four years ago. The lawsuits are concentrated in swing states — and key counties — likely to determine the race. Several embrace debunked theories about voter fraud and so-called stolen elections that Mr. Trump has promoted since 2020. ...

    They love hand-counting ballots:

    In Montgomery County, Pa., the state’s third-largest county, the party is seeking to force local officials to count ballots by hand, evoking debunked conspiracy theories about corrupted voting machines.

    The love to relitigate debunked claims:

    A case filed by the Republican National Committee in Nevada this month falsely asserts that nearly 4,000 noncitizens voted in the state in 2020, a claim that was rejected at the time by the state’s top election official, a Republican.

    Rather than finding the truth or seeking justice, most of them just aim to circumvent democracy:

    Election experts, including some Republicans, say a vast majority of the cases are destined to fail, either because they were filed too late or because they are based on unfounded, or outright false, claims.

    The volume and last minute timing of the cases, along with statements from party officials and Trump allies, suggest a broader aim behind the effort: Laying the groundwork to challenge results after the vote. The claims in the lawsuits may well be revived — either in court or in the media — if Mr. Trump contests the outcome.

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    • MikM Away
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      Mik
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      #2

      You miss the point entirely. Try again.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        jon-nyc
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        #3

        He’s a cancer.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • HoraceH Online
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          Horace
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          Ax, thanks for taking the time to excerpt the parts you found important. That's a considerate way to post links to paywalled articles.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • HoraceH Online
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            Horace
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            All of these claims can be adjudicated in a court of law, and the conspiracy theories can be weakened, if not entirely laid to rest, if any of this makes it to court. There is no crisis here, and to whatever extent Trump's allegations of voting fraud are bad for the country, pushing those claims through the courts will be a good way to decontaminate everybody's minds.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              All of these claims can be adjudicated in a court of law, and the conspiracy theories can be weakened, if not entirely laid to rest, if any of this makes it to court. There is no crisis here, and to whatever extent Trump's allegations of voting fraud are bad for the country, pushing those claims through the courts will be a good way to decontaminate everybody's minds.

              jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nyc
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              #6

              @Horace said in Election Lawfare:

              All of these claims can be adjudicated in a court of law, and the conspiracy theories can be weakened, if not entirely laid to rest, if any of this makes it to court. There is no crisis here, and to whatever extent Trump's allegations of voting fraud are bad for the country, pushing those claims through the courts will be a good way to decontaminate everybody's minds.

              This is an empirical question and the data are in. The courts repeatedly told him to eat shit off a plate, but he kept spewing lies and 40 million magats believe him.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                @Horace said in Election Lawfare:

                All of these claims can be adjudicated in a court of law, and the conspiracy theories can be weakened, if not entirely laid to rest, if any of this makes it to court. There is no crisis here, and to whatever extent Trump's allegations of voting fraud are bad for the country, pushing those claims through the courts will be a good way to decontaminate everybody's minds.

                This is an empirical question and the data are in. The courts repeatedly told him to eat shit off a plate, but he kept spewing lies and 40 million magats believe him.

                HoraceH Online
                HoraceH Online
                Horace
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                @jon-nyc said in Election Lawfare:

                @Horace said in Election Lawfare:

                All of these claims can be adjudicated in a court of law, and the conspiracy theories can be weakened, if not entirely laid to rest, if any of this makes it to court. There is no crisis here, and to whatever extent Trump's allegations of voting fraud are bad for the country, pushing those claims through the courts will be a good way to decontaminate everybody's minds.

                This is an empirical question and the data are in. The courts repeatedly told him to eat shit off a plate, but he kept spewing lies and 40 million magats believe him.

                He responded to that in the debate, something about how the only reason the courts rejected him was lack of standing, rather than the cases' merits.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • jon-nycJ Online
                  jon-nycJ Online
                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                  #8

                  That’s not a response, he was merely describing his loss. Still he can’t accept a defeat (remember the Iowa GOP primary in 2016 that was ‘rigged’?). And magat cultists believe everything he says while writing checks for his ties, griftcoins , and shoes.

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    That’s not a response, he was merely describing his loss. Still he can’t accept a defeat (remember the Iowa GOP primary in 2016 that was ‘rigged’?). And magat cultists believe everything he says while writing checks for his ties, griftcoins , and shoes.

                    HoraceH Online
                    HoraceH Online
                    Horace
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                    @jon-nyc said in Election Lawfare:

                    That’s not a response, he was merely describing his loss.

                    He described a type of loss that was not based on the merits of the case, and which therefore would do nothing to weaken theories of fraud.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
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                      In the neighboring county they have uncovered a fraudulent ballot harvesting operation where voters are called and told to send their ballots to an incorrect address, not the BOE.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • MikM Mik

                        In the neighboring county they have uncovered a fraudulent ballot harvesting operation where voters are called and told to send their ballots to an incorrect address, not the BOE.

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                        Jolly
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                        @Mik said in Election Lawfare:

                        In the neighboring county they have uncovered a fraudulent ballot harvesting operation where voters are called and told to send their ballots to an incorrect address, not the BOE.

                        Sorry, that doesn't exist.

                        Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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