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  • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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    Doctor Phibes
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    #9

    Israel receives a shit ton of money in military aid from the US, and nobody on the right ever complains when Bibi insults the Democrats, because as we know they're all antisemites.

    I was only joking

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      What if this was the Chinese leader, being flown in on the American dollar to speak on possible tariffs?

      MikM Offline
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      Mik
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      #10

      @Jolly said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

      What if this was the Chinese leader, being flown in on the American dollar to speak on possible tariffs?

      China is an adversary. Ukraine is not.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        Israel receives a shit ton of money in military aid from the US, and nobody on the right ever complains when Bibi insults the Democrats, because as we know they're all antisemites.

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        Horace
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        #11

        @Doctor-Phibes said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

        Israel receives a shit ton of money in military aid from the US, and nobody on the right ever complains when Bibi insults the Democrats, because as we know they're all antisemites.

        Dems are anti-semites, and Republicans are Russian operatives. Facts.

        It's difficult to leave the house without being surrounded by anti-semites and Russian operatives. That's why I don't leave the house.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          @Doctor-Phibes said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

          Israel receives a shit ton of money in military aid from the US, and nobody on the right ever complains when Bibi insults the Democrats, because as we know they're all antisemites.

          Dems are anti-semites, and Republicans are Russian operatives. Facts.

          It's difficult to leave the house without being surrounded by anti-semites and Russian operatives. That's why I don't leave the house.

          Doctor PhibesD Offline
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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on last edited by
          #12

          @Horace said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

          @Doctor-Phibes said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

          Israel receives a shit ton of money in military aid from the US, and nobody on the right ever complains when Bibi insults the Democrats, because as we know they're all antisemites.

          Dems are anti-semites, and Republicans are Russian operatives. Facts.

          It's difficult to leave the house without being surrounded by anti-semites and Russian operatives. That's why I don't leave the house.

          What do you do if you're an antisemitic Russian operative?

          I was only joking

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          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

            @Horace said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

            Israel receives a shit ton of money in military aid from the US, and nobody on the right ever complains when Bibi insults the Democrats, because as we know they're all antisemites.

            Dems are anti-semites, and Republicans are Russian operatives. Facts.

            It's difficult to leave the house without being surrounded by anti-semites and Russian operatives. That's why I don't leave the house.

            What do you do if you're an antisemitic Russian operative?

            HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #13

            @Doctor-Phibes said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

            @Horace said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

            Israel receives a shit ton of money in military aid from the US, and nobody on the right ever complains when Bibi insults the Democrats, because as we know they're all antisemites.

            Dems are anti-semites, and Republicans are Russian operatives. Facts.

            It's difficult to leave the house without being surrounded by anti-semites and Russian operatives. That's why I don't leave the house.

            What do you do if you're an antisemitic Russian operative?

            You never show your face on the internet, that's for sure. Nobody will like you.

            Education is extremely important.

            MikM 1 Reply Last reply
            • HoraceH Horace

              @Doctor-Phibes said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

              @Horace said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

              Israel receives a shit ton of money in military aid from the US, and nobody on the right ever complains when Bibi insults the Democrats, because as we know they're all antisemites.

              Dems are anti-semites, and Republicans are Russian operatives. Facts.

              It's difficult to leave the house without being surrounded by anti-semites and Russian operatives. That's why I don't leave the house.

              What do you do if you're an antisemitic Russian operative?

              You never show your face on the internet, that's for sure. Nobody will like you.

              MikM Offline
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #14

              @Horace Well, you don't TELL them that, anyway.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • KlausK Klaus

                @George-K said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                Foreign leader expresses a preference for one candidate on US soil having just traveled at taxpayer expense for photo-op.

                Is this a problem?

                Eh, why is this a problem? Isn't that pretty normal?

                If Trump were president and a foreign leader would express a preference for Trump in the next election while on a US trip - would that be a problem? I don't think so either.

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                George K
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                #15

                @Klaus said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                Eh, why is this a problem? Isn't that pretty normal?

                Let's put it differently.

                Vlad Putin makes a stop in the United States. He visits an arms factory, where he praises Trump, saying that Biden is to unstable and senile. He thinks Harris will follow Biden's policies.

                And the US Air Force flies him from Washington to Pennsylvania.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • MikM Mik

                  @Horace Well, you don't TELL them that, anyway.

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                  Horace
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                  @Mik said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                  @Horace Well, you don't TELL them that, anyway.

                  People are so incredibly smart, though. They sniff out the anti-semites and Russian operatives without those people ever admitting it.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
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                    True, 'dat.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • George KG George K

                      @Klaus said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                      Eh, why is this a problem? Isn't that pretty normal?

                      Let's put it differently.

                      Vlad Putin makes a stop in the United States. He visits an arms factory, where he praises Trump, saying that Biden is to unstable and senile. He thinks Harris will follow Biden's policies.

                      And the US Air Force flies him from Washington to Pennsylvania.

                      jon-nycJ Offline
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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #18

                      @George-K Again, Putin is an adversary

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        @George-K Again, Putin is an adversary

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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #19

                        @jon-nyc said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                        @George-K Again, Putin is an adversary

                        OK, would you be OK with Pierre Castreaux expressing his political preferences after a flight on a USAF transport?

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • MikM Offline
                          MikM Offline
                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #20

                          is Pierre fighting for his country's very existence?

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • HoraceH Offline
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                            Horace
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #21

                            Even if Americans, in their luxury beliefs, have abandoned a psychological attachment to national self-interest, we can rest assured that other countries giving us their opinions about our politics, are exclusively concerned with their own self-interest.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • MikM Mik

                              is Pierre fighting for his country's very existence?

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by Renauda
                              #22

                              @Mik said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                              is Pierre fighting for his country's very existence?

                              Not his country’s very interests but certainly his very own political interest.

                              Actually I would have a problem if any serving Canadian PM was being flown around any foreign country on anything other than his designated CAF aircraft.

                              In any event the question is moot.

                              Zelensky represents 38 million disenfranchised stakeholders in the upcoming US election. I too would be concerned if the victor of the next election would have no qualms appeasing the Kremlin in undermining my country’s sovereignty and right to exist as an independent nation state.

                              Contrary to what some people think Ukraine is not Kurdistan; an ethnic entity that merely exists as an aspiration that can be bartered and sold as a chattel of back room diplomacy.

                              Elbows up!

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #23

                                George - your post implies he flew to PA to make those comments but the article says he made them in a New Yorker interview.

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  xenon
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #24

                                  The U.S. is shouldering a ton of cost for Ukraine - this is a tired point, but isn't depleting Russia's military power cost effective for the U.S. in the long term? The two biggest potential adversaries we have are China and Russia. Don't our military expenditures go up if Russia wins?

                                  Maybe there's an argument to be made about the unpredictability of a cornered adversary.

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                                  • X xenon

                                    The U.S. is shouldering a ton of cost for Ukraine - this is a tired point, but isn't depleting Russia's military power cost effective for the U.S. in the long term? The two biggest potential adversaries we have are China and Russia. Don't our military expenditures go up if Russia wins?

                                    Maybe there's an argument to be made about the unpredictability of a cornered adversary.

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                                    taiwan_girl
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                                    #25

                                    @xenon said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                                    The U.S. is shouldering a ton of cost for Ukraine

                                    Saw a paper that talked about the economic impact the "money to Ukraine" has had on local economies as actually the money is generally going to weapon manufacturing and the associated businesses.

                                    (Yes, it is being spent on Ukraine, but the impact is in the US. But I guess that is the same with most arms sales.)

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                                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                      @xenon said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:

                                      The U.S. is shouldering a ton of cost for Ukraine

                                      Saw a paper that talked about the economic impact the "money to Ukraine" has had on local economies as actually the money is generally going to weapon manufacturing and the associated businesses.

                                      (Yes, it is being spent on Ukraine, but the impact is in the US. But I guess that is the same with most arms sales.)

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                      #26

                                      @taiwan_girl

                                      Subsidies in the form of government contracts to munitions manufacturers and service companies. Most technical assistance through USEXIM bank to developing countries is similar.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #27

                                        Yeah, but the U.S. military has depleted stocks of munitions that are not easily replaced, so it's a two-edged sword.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #28

                                          Back to the original subject...

                                          We know it's not Biden calling the shots nowadays (seen the latest videos?), but it's the same hyperpolitical Beltway approach. Lawfare, willing media manipulation, leaked hoaxes, selective DOJ harassment and prosecution...Now the use of a foreign leader traveling on the American dime, trying to influence a Presidential election.

                                          It's all part and parcel of the same thing.

                                          And it's rotten.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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