Acceptance speech

Larry · 29 Aug 2020, 00:56

I looked into Ax's bullet points. Some a half truths that are spun into a pretzel, but most of them are either stupid or outright lies.

taiwan_girl · L Larry 29 Aug 2020, 00:35

@Larry said in Acceptance speech:

but most of them are either stupid or outright lies.

Which ones?

Larry · wrote on 29 Aug 2020, 01:06

Let's just take the first one. Biden doesn't know where he's at most of the times, so it's no surprise that he has said he would take down the border wall, and later said he wouldn't. But to attempt to accuse Trump of lying by lying yourself (referring to the person who wrote the statement) is dishonest. Trump is correct. Biden has said numerous times that he would get rid of the wall.

The rest of them are equally stupid.

Axtremus · wrote on 29 Aug 2020, 11:54

Trump has said numerous times that he would get Mexico to pay for his wall, yet what he actually did has been to ask Americans to pay for the wall. Trump even shut down the American government that in his shameless attempts to get Americans to pay for his wall. Trump misappropriated money that Congress lawfully allocated for national emergency and military construction projects, funds that are meant to serve the American people and the American service men and women, to pay for his wall — all because Trump has been and continues to be too incompetent to get Mexico to pay for the wall like he repeatedly promised.

Axtremus · wrote on 29 Aug 2020, 11:56

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2020/08/28/television-ratings-democratic-convention-edge-out-republican-convention/

“ Democratic nominee Joe Biden’s acceptance speech last week edged out President Trump’s lengthy Thursday night address in viewership, according to early Nielsen data. Among the six major broadcast and cable news networks, Trump’s speech brought in 19.85 million total viewers, the ratings firm announced Friday, compared with 21.8 million for Biden.“

The TV viewership numbers are in. Joe Biden’s acceptance speech has attracted bigger TV audience than Trump’s.

Larry · wrote on 29 Aug 2020, 11:58

Oh, go fuck yourself.

jon-nyc · wrote on 29 Aug 2020, 12:19

This is good news. That has been a reliable predictor of winning for decades.

It’s also a bit surprising. Even people who don’t like Trump often watch for the spectacle. Like slowing down as you pass an accident.

Mik · wrote on 29 Aug 2020, 12:27

I suspect Hillary's speech did as well.

Larry · wrote on 29 Aug 2020, 12:29

People tuned in to see if he would actually be able to read his speech.

jon-nyc · X xenon 28 Aug 2020, 04:19

@xenon said in Acceptance speech:

Is it normal for incumbents to do their convention at the White House?

Copper · wrote on 29 Aug 2020, 17:59

questions about ethics law violations

Our prisons are full of people who committed ethics law violations

jon-nyc · wrote on 2 Sept 2020, 02:22

@jon-nyc said in Acceptance speech:

Key theme of the campaign: ‘None of this would be happening if Donald Trump were President’.

Horace · wrote on 2 Sept 2020, 02:28

What Biden encourages people to do to America. There I fixed it.

taiwan_girl · wrote on 2 Sept 2020, 02:41

Who has been President for the past 3.5 years?

A. President Trump
B. Vice President Biden

Which party controlled President Office, Senate, and House of Representatives during the first two years of the current President term?

A. Republics
B. Democrats?

Which party has currently control of two of the following three offices (President office, Senate, House of Representative)?

A. Republics
B. Democrats

What elected office or authority has Vice President Biden had in the last 3.5 years?

A. None
B. Deep State King

Who is the blame for the current unrest?

A. Any and all republic president from the last 100 years
B. Any and all democrat presidents from the last 100 years
C. The founding fathers of the US
D. Anybody as long as they are from the other party

Horace · 2 Sept 2020, 03:06

Are you trying to convince someone of something, or are you trying to fashion a string of words that could convince a toy artificial intelligence algorithm that a certain chain of logic could coherently blame Trump for the unrest?

taiwan_girl · H Horace 2 Sept 2020, 02:51

@Horace said in Acceptance speech:

Are you trying to convince someone of something, or are you trying to fashion a string of words that could convince a toy artificial intelligence algorithm that a certain chain of logic could coherently blame Trump for the unrest?

My point is that MOST (maybe all) politicians (and presidents since I am talking about them in this forum thread) are very very quick to take credit when something is good but very very quick to blame the "other" guy when things go bad.

My understanding is that the US President is elected for a continuous 4 year term. not just the good months.

President Obama cannot say - "Only look at my President term for Jan, March, June, Sept of 2013. Jan, Feb, May, Aug of 2014, etc.)

President Trump cannot say - "Only look at my President term for XX months in 2017, March through Aug 2020 does not count, etc."

I have said this before, but I like the statement from US President Truman - "The Buck Stops Here"

I would like for once a modern president to stand up and say - " I am the President. What happens while I am President is my responsibility. No excuses. No blame to others. The buck stops here!!"

Horace · 2 Sept 2020, 03:16

It's like you're taking a firm stand against thinking about or discussing any problem until the president takes full responsibility for it. I'm not sure why you think that's a good idea.

taiwan_girl · H Horace 2 Sept 2020, 03:10

@Horace said in Acceptance speech:

It's like you're taking a firm stand against thinking about or discussing any problem until the president takes full responsibility for it. I'm not sure why you think that's a good idea.

For me, it seems like the "default" reaction is to throw blame.

Using PResident Trump as an example (since he is the current president), his first instinct is to throw something on Twitter - usually derogatory or blame throwing. Not sure what that accomplishes.

Does it make it easier or harder to have a "productive" discussion? For me, i dont think so.

Horace · wrote on 2 Sept 2020, 03:20

We're trying to have a discussion about who's to blame for the riots, but as far as you're concerned no such conversation should be had until Trump accepts full responsibility. Only then can we begin to discuss who's responsible.

Rainman · wrote on 2 Sept 2020, 04:44

I think it's enjoyable to watch Taiwan Girl try so incessantly to straddle the fence on every issue, hoping to prove how awful Trump is by her kind, ultra-nice, condescending input, which oftentimes treats the reader as a child by stating obvious cherry-picked points or, stating the obvious as if she just made it up.

"My understanding is that the US President is elected for a continuous 4 year term. not just the good months." Not sure about this, need to ask Ax, Google, or a kid in 4th grade.

"I would like for once a modern president to stand up and say - " I am the President. What happens while I am President is my responsibility. No excuses. No blame to others. The buck stops here!!"

Lessee. . . is this what you meant:

"I am the President. The rioting in Portland, the looting, the burning, is all my fault. ALL MY FAULT! NO EXCUSES. NO BLAME TO OTHERS. IT'S ALL ME, I DID IT ALL, I CAUSED IT ALL, I NEED A KLEENEX. I will not blame the Mayor, City Council, Governor, the Oregon legislature, radical left-wing Critical Race Theory or Cultural Marxists, useless thugs, impotent federal congress, left-wing judges doing the legislator's job, or anyone else for this, it is clearly my fault because. . . I am Orange Man Bad.

How's that?

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