Acceptance speech
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 13:09 last edited by
CBS also started IMMEDIATELY saying that some claim of his was 'misleading'.
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@xenon said in Acceptance speech:
Is it normal for incumbents to do their convention at the White House?
Why would you ask that question? Quiz time where did Trump and the RNC want the convention?
wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 14:15 last edited by@Loki said in Acceptance speech:
@xenon said in Acceptance speech:
Is it normal for incumbents to do their convention at the White House?
Why would you ask that question? Quiz time where did Trump and the RNC want the convention?
89 mention he could see the the fireworks, and I remembered I’ve usually seen these things in stadiums. But wasn’t sure.
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 16:37 last edited by
Speech was too long and didn't have the typical Trump Fire throughout.
But if anybody needs a comparison, the Dems candidate delivered a canned, edited speech. Trump delivered a live speech with a bit of improvisation.
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 16:52 last edited by
He was tired at the end, you could see it. But who wouldn't be?
I thought it touched on the topics that are winners for him really well. As I said, if he stays on message and doesn't get sidetracked down rabbit holes he should win. As nearly as I can see teh Democrats don't have a message other than we're not Trump.
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 17:01 last edited by
@xenon said in Acceptance speech:
Is it normal for incumbents to do their convention at the White House?
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 17:06 last edited by
Independents took a huge swing toward Trump, to 52%.
I don't trust polls, though. I trust what I see. And I have yet to see the first Biden sign or bumper sticker I saw a video of a Biden rally made up of golf carts slowly inching their way down a street, and a Trump rally made up of hundreds of speed boats and thousands of people. I've seen more and more blacks for Trump videos. Tons of them.
I think the black vote for Trump this time is going to leave the democrats stunned. °fa-info°(information text)
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 17:37 last edited by
I remember my father being in disbelief that Clinton won in 96 because he didn’t know a single person who voted for him.
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Speech was too long and didn't have the typical Trump Fire throughout.
But if anybody needs a comparison, the Dems candidate delivered a canned, edited speech. Trump delivered a live speech with a bit of improvisation.
wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 17:38 last edited by@Jolly said in Acceptance speech:
Speech was too long and didn't have the typical Trump Fire throughout.
But if anybody needs a comparison, the Dems candidate delivered a canned, edited speech. Trump delivered a live speech with a bit of improvisation.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/republican-convention-trump-nomination-speech-too-much-trump/
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I remember my father being in disbelief that Clinton won in 96 because he didn’t know a single person who voted for him.
wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 17:41 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Acceptance speech:
I remember my father being in disbelief that Clinton won in 96 because he didn’t know a single person who voted for him.
Channeling his inner Pauline Kael?
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 17:45 last edited by
Funny thing is he was probably unaware of that line and was saying it sincerely.
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I remember my father being in disbelief that Clinton won in 96 because he didn’t know a single person who voted for him.
wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 17:47 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Acceptance speech:
I remember my father being in disbelief that Clinton won in 96 because he didn’t know a single person who voted for him.
I didn't know a single person who voted for Mr. Nixon in 1972.
Mr. Nixon won 49 of 50 states.
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 22:05 last edited by
@Mik said in Acceptance speech:
If he can stay on message he will win.
So we are in for a bumpy ride!
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 22:29 last edited by
The speech is full of lies, exaggerations, and other falsehood, according to many fact-checkers. Samples below:
Fact-checking by NPR:
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/27/901381398/fact-check-trumps-address-to-the-republican-convention-annotatedFact-checking by Politifact:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/fact-checking-donald-trumps-2020-rnc-speech/Fact-checking by The Washington Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/28/fact-checking-president-trumps-acceptance-speech-2020-rnc/Fact-checking by CNN:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/27/politics/rnc-night-four-fact-check/index.htmlAs reported by Vox:
https://www.vox.com/2020-presidential-election/2020/8/28/21405325/trump-rnc-speech-fact-check-cnn-daniel-dale- “Trump said Joe Biden is ‘talking about taking down the border wall.’ Biden has specifically, explicitly rejected that idea. He just said he’ll stop further additional construction.”
- “Trump claimed, as always, that he is the one who passed the veterans’ choice law. Barack Obama signed that into law in 2014. Trump signed a 2018 law to modify it.”
- “Trump said, ‘I have done more for the African American community than any president since Abraham Lincoln.’ That is ludicrous. Lyndon Johnson, for one, signed the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.”
- “Trump again touted a ‘record 9 million job gain over the past three months.’ He didn’t mention, as usual, that that gain follows a record 22 million job loss over the previous two months.”
- “He said he’ll ‘continue to lower drug prices.’ They’ve increased during his presidency.”
- “He said they opened a Jerusalem embassy for less than $500,000. Early documents show it was at least $21 million.”
- “He claimed NATO member spending has increased for the first time in about 20 years. Spending, in fact, rose in 2015 and in 2016, before he took office.”
- “He said he will always, and Republicans will always, strongly protect people with preexisting conditions. That pledge has already been broken. He and they have repeatedly tried to weaken those protections in Obamacare.”
- “He claimed again that he banned travel from China and Europe. No, he imposed partial restrictions with many exemptions. Tens of thousands of people continued traveling over.”
- “He boasted about the Covid testing system and about his general response. Look, experts nearly universally say the US was fatally slow in its response, especially slow in setting up adequate testing.”
- “He said he ended what he called ‘a NAFTA nightmare’ and he signed a brand new US-Mexico-Canada agreement — the USMCA. That agreement preserves, maintains most of NAFTA.”
- “He boasted about building about 300 miles of border wall. What he didn’t say is that most of that is replacement barrier. As of August 7, according to official data, just 5 miles had been built where none existed before.”
- “He suggested Joe Biden would confiscate guns. That’s baseless. Biden is running on a non-mandatory buyback of so-called assault weapons.”
- “He said Democrats want to defund the police. Biden, again, doesn’t, has rejected that.”
- “He said he has ‘very good information’ that China wants Biden to win because Biden is soft on China or cheerleads for China. The US intelligence community says China wants Biden to win because it sees Trump as unpredictable.”
- “He said Biden vowed to close down charter schools. Biden’s plan is skeptical on charters, but would not abolish them entirely.”
- “He denounced Biden for voting for the Iraq War. Biden did indeed vote for the Iraq War. But what Trump doesn’t mention is that he also supported that invasion.”
- “He said Democrats twice removed the word ‘God’ from the Pledge of Allegiance at their convention. Two individual caucus meetings outside the main primetime programming did leave it out, but it was uttered in every primetime event.”
- “Trump denounced so-called cancel culture as an insidious, left-wing thing. He, Donald J. Trump, has tried to get dozens of people and entities canceled, fired, boycotted, including literally, last week, Goodyear.”
- “He said he imposed an order to give 10 years in prison to rioters. That’s a maximum discretionary sentence up to judges, in existing laws. His order just asked the government to fully enforce.”
- “He said Biden’s plan would eliminate America’s borders. No. Just no. It’s wrong.”
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wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 22:32 last edited by
ATTA BOY, AX!
I'm so impressed how much time and effort you put forth. You must be retired or unemployed, or just really obsessed with Trump.
Actually bud, you're more than obsessed. I know I'm getting worried. Do you have a lot of cats? -
wrote on 28 Aug 2020, 23:17 last edited by
tldr
No need
All those fact checks are lies and half-truths
I know that without even reading one of them
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The speech is full of lies, exaggerations, and other falsehood, according to many fact-checkers. Samples below:
Fact-checking by NPR:
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/27/901381398/fact-check-trumps-address-to-the-republican-convention-annotatedFact-checking by Politifact:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/fact-checking-donald-trumps-2020-rnc-speech/Fact-checking by The Washington Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/28/fact-checking-president-trumps-acceptance-speech-2020-rnc/Fact-checking by CNN:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/27/politics/rnc-night-four-fact-check/index.htmlAs reported by Vox:
https://www.vox.com/2020-presidential-election/2020/8/28/21405325/trump-rnc-speech-fact-check-cnn-daniel-dale- “Trump said Joe Biden is ‘talking about taking down the border wall.’ Biden has specifically, explicitly rejected that idea. He just said he’ll stop further additional construction.”
- “Trump claimed, as always, that he is the one who passed the veterans’ choice law. Barack Obama signed that into law in 2014. Trump signed a 2018 law to modify it.”
- “Trump said, ‘I have done more for the African American community than any president since Abraham Lincoln.’ That is ludicrous. Lyndon Johnson, for one, signed the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.”
- “Trump again touted a ‘record 9 million job gain over the past three months.’ He didn’t mention, as usual, that that gain follows a record 22 million job loss over the previous two months.”
- “He said he’ll ‘continue to lower drug prices.’ They’ve increased during his presidency.”
- “He said they opened a Jerusalem embassy for less than $500,000. Early documents show it was at least $21 million.”
- “He claimed NATO member spending has increased for the first time in about 20 years. Spending, in fact, rose in 2015 and in 2016, before he took office.”
- “He said he will always, and Republicans will always, strongly protect people with preexisting conditions. That pledge has already been broken. He and they have repeatedly tried to weaken those protections in Obamacare.”
- “He claimed again that he banned travel from China and Europe. No, he imposed partial restrictions with many exemptions. Tens of thousands of people continued traveling over.”
- “He boasted about the Covid testing system and about his general response. Look, experts nearly universally say the US was fatally slow in its response, especially slow in setting up adequate testing.”
- “He said he ended what he called ‘a NAFTA nightmare’ and he signed a brand new US-Mexico-Canada agreement — the USMCA. That agreement preserves, maintains most of NAFTA.”
- “He boasted about building about 300 miles of border wall. What he didn’t say is that most of that is replacement barrier. As of August 7, according to official data, just 5 miles had been built where none existed before.”
- “He suggested Joe Biden would confiscate guns. That’s baseless. Biden is running on a non-mandatory buyback of so-called assault weapons.”
- “He said Democrats want to defund the police. Biden, again, doesn’t, has rejected that.”
- “He said he has ‘very good information’ that China wants Biden to win because Biden is soft on China or cheerleads for China. The US intelligence community says China wants Biden to win because it sees Trump as unpredictable.”
- “He said Biden vowed to close down charter schools. Biden’s plan is skeptical on charters, but would not abolish them entirely.”
- “He denounced Biden for voting for the Iraq War. Biden did indeed vote for the Iraq War. But what Trump doesn’t mention is that he also supported that invasion.”
- “He said Democrats twice removed the word ‘God’ from the Pledge of Allegiance at their convention. Two individual caucus meetings outside the main primetime programming did leave it out, but it was uttered in every primetime event.”
- “Trump denounced so-called cancel culture as an insidious, left-wing thing. He, Donald J. Trump, has tried to get dozens of people and entities canceled, fired, boycotted, including literally, last week, Goodyear.”
- “He said he imposed an order to give 10 years in prison to rioters. That’s a maximum discretionary sentence up to judges, in existing laws. His order just asked the government to fully enforce.”
- “He said Biden’s plan would eliminate America’s borders. No. Just no. It’s wrong.”
wrote on 29 Aug 2020, 00:13 last edited by@Axtremus said in Acceptance speech:
The speech is full of lies, exaggerations, and other falsehood, according to many fact-checkers. Samples below:
Fact-checking by NPR:
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/27/901381398/fact-check-trumps-address-to-the-republican-convention-annotatedFact-checking by Politifact:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/fact-checking-donald-trumps-2020-rnc-speech/Fact-checking by The Washington Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/28/fact-checking-president-trumps-acceptance-speech-2020-rnc/Fact-checking by CNN:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/27/politics/rnc-night-four-fact-check/index.htmlAs reported by Vox:
https://www.vox.com/2020-presidential-election/2020/8/28/21405325/trump-rnc-speech-fact-check-cnn-daniel-dale- “Trump said Joe Biden is ‘talking about taking down the border wall.’ Biden has specifically, explicitly rejected that idea. He just said he’ll stop further additional construction.”
- “Trump claimed, as always, that he is the one who passed the veterans’ choice law. Barack Obama signed that into law in 2014. Trump signed a 2018 law to modify it.”
- “Trump said, ‘I have done more for the African American community than any president since Abraham Lincoln.’ That is ludicrous. Lyndon Johnson, for one, signed the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.”
- “Trump again touted a ‘record 9 million job gain over the past three months.’ He didn’t mention, as usual, that that gain follows a record 22 million job loss over the previous two months.”
- “He said he’ll ‘continue to lower drug prices.’ They’ve increased during his presidency.”
- “He said they opened a Jerusalem embassy for less than $500,000. Early documents show it was at least $21 million.”
- “He claimed NATO member spending has increased for the first time in about 20 years. Spending, in fact, rose in 2015 and in 2016, before he took office.”
- “He said he will always, and Republicans will always, strongly protect people with preexisting conditions. That pledge has already been broken. He and they have repeatedly tried to weaken those protections in Obamacare.”
- “He claimed again that he banned travel from China and Europe. No, he imposed partial restrictions with many exemptions. Tens of thousands of people continued traveling over.”
- “He boasted about the Covid testing system and about his general response. Look, experts nearly universally say the US was fatally slow in its response, especially slow in setting up adequate testing.”
- “He said he ended what he called ‘a NAFTA nightmare’ and he signed a brand new US-Mexico-Canada agreement — the USMCA. That agreement preserves, maintains most of NAFTA.”
- “He boasted about building about 300 miles of border wall. What he didn’t say is that most of that is replacement barrier. As of August 7, according to official data, just 5 miles had been built where none existed before.”
- “He suggested Joe Biden would confiscate guns. That’s baseless. Biden is running on a non-mandatory buyback of so-called assault weapons.”
- “He said Democrats want to defund the police. Biden, again, doesn’t, has rejected that.”
- “He said he has ‘very good information’ that China wants Biden to win because Biden is soft on China or cheerleads for China. The US intelligence community says China wants Biden to win because it sees Trump as unpredictable.”
- “He said Biden vowed to close down charter schools. Biden’s plan is skeptical on charters, but would not abolish them entirely.”
- “He denounced Biden for voting for the Iraq War. Biden did indeed vote for the Iraq War. But what Trump doesn’t mention is that he also supported that invasion.”
- “He said Democrats twice removed the word ‘God’ from the Pledge of Allegiance at their convention. Two individual caucus meetings outside the main primetime programming did leave it out, but it was uttered in every primetime event.”
- “Trump denounced so-called cancel culture as an insidious, left-wing thing. He, Donald J. Trump, has tried to get dozens of people and entities canceled, fired, boycotted, including literally, last week, Goodyear.”
- “He said he imposed an order to give 10 years in prison to rioters. That’s a maximum discretionary sentence up to judges, in existing laws. His order just asked the government to fully enforce.”
- “He said Biden’s plan would eliminate America’s borders. No. Just no. It’s wrong.”
Nothing on that list approaches the absolute disregard for honesty and decency displayed by Biden when he repeated the "fine people" lie, which is used to tarnish Trump and his supporters as white supremacist sympathizers.
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wrote on 29 Aug 2020, 00:19 last edited by
Nothing on that list is even credible. Neither are the "news" organizations they came from. It's just the leftwing media giving dumb democrats like Ax a reason to have hope.
Sorry. Biden is going to get beat like a red headed stepkid.
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wrote on 29 Aug 2020, 00:35 last edited by
I looked into Ax's bullet points. Some a half truths that are spun into a pretzel, but most of them are either stupid or outright lies.
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I looked into Ax's bullet points. Some a half truths that are spun into a pretzel, but most of them are either stupid or outright lies.
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wrote on 29 Aug 2020, 01:06 last edited by Larry
Let's just take the first one. Biden doesn't know where he's at most of the times, so it's no surprise that he has said he would take down the border wall, and later said he wouldn't. But to attempt to accuse Trump of lying by lying yourself (referring to the person who wrote the statement) is dishonest. Trump is correct. Biden has said numerous times that he would get rid of the wall.
The rest of them are equally stupid.
