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@taiwan_girl said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
Trump came out in favor of the death penalty for major fentanyl dealers.
I believe that the death penalty should exist, but not because it "deters" criminals. It doesn't.
Some people deserve it, but to think that the death penalty makes criminals think before doing a crime is not true, I dont think.
Does it deter dealers in Singapore?
wrote on 19 Sept 2024, 15:56 last edited by@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
Does it deter dealers in Singapore?
On the entry visa you used to fill out, in big bold high font red letters was something like, "Possession of Drugs may be punished by death"
Yet, I would still see in the papers or hear on the news that so and so was caught with drugs.
Of course, it is impossible to prove the "opportunity cost" - if they didn't have this policy, would there be more drug dealing in Singapore, etc?
So, I guess that the answer is from me, "I dont know". LOL
There are always going to be stupid people doing stupid things. The fear of going to jail is enough to stop me from (mostly) doing stupid things, but it is not the same for everybody.
I haven't looked, but I am guess that if we looked at states with death vs. no death for those appropriate crimes, there is probably not any difference.
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@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
Does it deter dealers in Singapore?
On the entry visa you used to fill out, in big bold high font red letters was something like, "Possession of Drugs may be punished by death"
Yet, I would still see in the papers or hear on the news that so and so was caught with drugs.
Of course, it is impossible to prove the "opportunity cost" - if they didn't have this policy, would there be more drug dealing in Singapore, etc?
So, I guess that the answer is from me, "I dont know". LOL
There are always going to be stupid people doing stupid things. The fear of going to jail is enough to stop me from (mostly) doing stupid things, but it is not the same for everybody.
I haven't looked, but I am guess that if we looked at states with death vs. no death for those appropriate crimes, there is probably not any difference.
wrote on 19 Sept 2024, 17:29 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
So, I guess that the answer is from me, "I dont know". LOL
I do.
Singapore has a drug overdose rate of 1.18/100,000 people. The U.S. rate is 32/100,000 people.
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wrote on 19 Sept 2024, 18:32 last edited by Renauda
Singapore is also small state and a wholly different non Western culture in almost all respects. I do not believe a meaningful correlation of overdose rates between it and the US can be made.
I also see the death penalty as a final retribution rather than a deterrent. I really don’t think for a moment the criminal mind takes consequences into account prior to acting.
Half of me is against capital punishment and the other half is lukewarm supportive owing to emotional reaction rather than reason. Laws, in my opinion, should reflect reason not passion.
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@taiwan_girl said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
So, I guess that the answer is from me, "I dont know". LOL
I do.
Singapore has a drug overdose rate of 1.18/100,000 people. The U.S. rate is 32/100,000 people.
wrote on 19 Sept 2024, 23:07 last edited by@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
Singapore has a drug overdose rate of 1.18/100,000 people. The U.S. rate is 32/100,000 people.
We have more freedom, more liberty.
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@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
Singapore has a drug overdose rate of 1.18/100,000 people. The U.S. rate is 32/100,000 people.
We have more freedom, more liberty.
wrote on 19 Sept 2024, 23:12 last edited by -
@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
Singapore has a drug overdose rate of 1.18/100,000 people. The U.S. rate is 32/100,000 people.
We have more freedom, more liberty.
wrote on 20 Sept 2024, 00:37 last edited by@Axtremus said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
Singapore has a drug overdose rate of 1.18/100,000 people. The U.S. rate is 32/100,000 people.
We have more freedom, more liberty.
To do fentanyl?
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Singapore is also small state and a wholly different non Western culture in almost all respects. I do not believe a meaningful correlation of overdose rates between it and the US can be made.
I also see the death penalty as a final retribution rather than a deterrent. I really don’t think for a moment the criminal mind takes consequences into account prior to acting.
Half of me is against capital punishment and the other half is lukewarm supportive owing to emotional reaction rather than reason. Laws, in my opinion, should reflect reason not passion.
wrote on 20 Sept 2024, 02:07 last edited by@Renauda said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
Singapore is also small state and a wholly separate different non Western culture in almost all respects. I do not believe a meaningful correlation of overdose rates between it and the US can be made.
I also see the death penalty as a final retribution rather than a deterrent. I really don’t think for a moment the criminal mind takes consequences into account prior to acting.
I agree with REnauda.
But, another comparison we could make:
Singpapore has a firearm death rate/100,000 people = 0.01. US = 12.21
Singapore also has very very strict gun control laws compared to the US. Maybe the US should learn and adopt from that also? LOL
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@Renauda said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
Singapore is also small state and a wholly separate different non Western culture in almost all respects. I do not believe a meaningful correlation of overdose rates between it and the US can be made.
I also see the death penalty as a final retribution rather than a deterrent. I really don’t think for a moment the criminal mind takes consequences into account prior to acting.
I agree with REnauda.
But, another comparison we could make:
Singpapore has a firearm death rate/100,000 people = 0.01. US = 12.21
Singapore also has very very strict gun control laws compared to the US. Maybe the US should learn and adopt from that also? LOL
wrote on 20 Sept 2024, 02:34 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
@Renauda said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
Singapore is also small state and a wholly separate different non Western culture in almost all respects. I do not believe a meaningful correlation of overdose rates between it and the US can be made.
I also see the death penalty as a final retribution rather than a deterrent. I really don’t think for a moment the criminal mind takes consequences into account prior to acting.
I agree with REnauda.
But, another comparison we could make:
Singpapore has a firearm death rate/100,000 people = 0.01. US = 12.21
Singapore also has very very strict gun control laws compared to the US. Maybe the US should learn and adopt from that also? LOL
Sorry, but the Second Amendment exists and the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.
Now, Kamala -lama-ding-dong has supported walking into your home without a warrant, to ensure your gun is properly stored. Whatever that is...
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@taiwan_girl said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
So, I guess that the answer is from me, "I dont know". LOL
I do.
Singapore has a drug overdose rate of 1.18/100,000 people. The U.S. rate is 32/100,000 people.
wrote on 20 Sept 2024, 09:50 last edited by@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
@taiwan_girl said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
So, I guess that the answer is from me, "I dont know". LOL
I do.
Singapore has a drug overdose rate of 1.18/100,000 people. The U.S. rate is 32/100,000 people.
Now do gun ownership and crime. Or death penalty in Western Europe and crime. You’re cherry picking.
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wrote on 20 Sept 2024, 10:39 last edited by
No, I'm talking about a policy point that Trump brought up in response to a question about fentanyl overdose deaths in America.
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No, I'm talking about a policy point that Trump brought up in response to a question about fentanyl overdose deaths in America.
wrote on 20 Sept 2024, 11:16 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
No, I'm talking about a policy point that Trump brought up in response to a question about fentanyl overdose deaths in America.
You and others have repeatedly rejected comparisons between the US and, for example Canada or Western Europe regarding the link between gun ownership and homicide levels on the basis that those countries are culturally different from the US.
You'd be hard-pressed to argue that Singapore has more in common with US culture than Canada does.
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@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
No, I'm talking about a policy point that Trump brought up in response to a question about fentanyl overdose deaths in America.
You and others have repeatedly rejected comparisons between the US and, for example Canada or Western Europe regarding the link between gun ownership and homicide levels on the basis that those countries are culturally different from the US.
You'd be hard-pressed to argue that Singapore has more in common with US culture than Canada does.
wrote on 20 Sept 2024, 11:26 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
No, I'm talking about a policy point that Trump brought up in response to a question about fentanyl overdose deaths in America.
You and others have repeatedly rejected comparisons between the US and, for example Canada or Western Europe regarding the link between gun ownership and homicide levels on the basis that those countries are culturally different from the US.
You'd be hard-pressed to argue that Singapore has more in common with US culture than Canada does.
Address the essential point - Does Singapore's intolerance for fentanyl dealers decrease the levels of fentanyl OD deaths and if so, is that policy exportable to the U.S. in any form or fashion?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
No, I'm talking about a policy point that Trump brought up in response to a question about fentanyl overdose deaths in America.
You and others have repeatedly rejected comparisons between the US and, for example Canada or Western Europe regarding the link between gun ownership and homicide levels on the basis that those countries are culturally different from the US.
You'd be hard-pressed to argue that Singapore has more in common with US culture than Canada does.
Address the essential point - Does Singapore's intolerance for fentanyl dealers decrease the levels of fentanyl OD deaths and if so, is that policy exportable to the U.S. in any form or fashion?
wrote on 20 Sept 2024, 11:58 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
Address the essential point - Does Singapore's intolerance for fentanyl dealers decrease the levels of fentanyl OD deaths and if so, is that policy exportable to the U.S. in any form or fashion?
Well, in general the death penalty hasn't been shown to reduce crime, so I'd guess probably not.
Could you address whether you think a move towards being more like the Singapore government in general is something you would welcome?
It's also worth noting that there are a lot of countries with lower drug overdose deaths who don't have the death penalty or highly authoritarian governments. Maybe it would be worth examining what they do differently. Obviously, that's not going to get the Trump faithful cheering much, but it might be a more measured approach....
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@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
Address the essential point - Does Singapore's intolerance for fentanyl dealers decrease the levels of fentanyl OD deaths and if so, is that policy exportable to the U.S. in any form or fashion?
Well, in general the death penalty hasn't been shown to reduce crime, so I'd guess probably not.
Could you address whether you think a move towards being more like the Singapore government in general is something you would welcome?
It's also worth noting that there are a lot of countries with lower drug overdose deaths who don't have the death penalty or highly authoritarian governments. Maybe it would be worth examining what they do differently. Obviously, that's not going to get the Trump faithful cheering much, but it might be a more measured approach....
wrote on 20 Sept 2024, 12:17 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
Address the essential point - Does Singapore's intolerance for fentanyl dealers decrease the levels of fentanyl OD deaths and if so, is that policy exportable to the U.S. in any form or fashion?
Well, in general the death penalty hasn't been shown to reduce crime, so I'd guess probably not.
Could you address whether you think a move towards being more like the Singapore government in general is something you would welcome?
It's also worth noting that there are a lot of countries with lower drug overdose deaths who don't have the death penalty or highly authoritarian governments. Maybe it would be worth examining what they do differently. Obviously, that's not going to get the Trump faithful cheering much, but it might be a more measured approach....
Biased much?
When Trump was talking about this, he cited Singapore and China, both who have the death penalty for drug dealers. He also said that was something that might not could be done in America, but he rolled the conversation into the border and gang related (he specifically mentioned MS 13) organized trafficking.
Do I support the death penalty for foreign nationals engaged in major drug or human traficking? I have no problem with that and would support it.
Do I support tightening up our borders, particularly our Southern Border? Again, I think it's something we should do.
Do I support rigorous deportation or imprisonment of illegal aliens with extensive criminal records? Yep.
All this is of one piece. Control the flow across the border. Incarcerate and/or deport the distribution system. Decapitate anything in management. Permanently.
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@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
Address the essential point - Does Singapore's intolerance for fentanyl dealers decrease the levels of fentanyl OD deaths and if so, is that policy exportable to the U.S. in any form or fashion?
Well, in general the death penalty hasn't been shown to reduce crime, so I'd guess probably not.
Could you address whether you think a move towards being more like the Singapore government in general is something you would welcome?
It's also worth noting that there are a lot of countries with lower drug overdose deaths who don't have the death penalty or highly authoritarian governments. Maybe it would be worth examining what they do differently. Obviously, that's not going to get the Trump faithful cheering much, but it might be a more measured approach....
wrote on 20 Sept 2024, 12:38 last edited by RenaudaIt's also worth noting that there are a lot of countries with lower drug overdose deaths who don't have the death penalty or highly authoritarian governments.
As near as I can tell overdose deaths from opioids in this godless authoritarian socialist hell is somewhere in the vicinity of 20/100,000. It varies though throughout the country with the highest instances in Vancouver, Ontario and, Alberta (the last being the evangelical Bible belt of the nation, no less!).
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
Address the essential point - Does Singapore's intolerance for fentanyl dealers decrease the levels of fentanyl OD deaths and if so, is that policy exportable to the U.S. in any form or fashion?
Well, in general the death penalty hasn't been shown to reduce crime, so I'd guess probably not.
Could you address whether you think a move towards being more like the Singapore government in general is something you would welcome?
It's also worth noting that there are a lot of countries with lower drug overdose deaths who don't have the death penalty or highly authoritarian governments. Maybe it would be worth examining what they do differently. Obviously, that's not going to get the Trump faithful cheering much, but it might be a more measured approach....
Biased much?
When Trump was talking about this, he cited Singapore and China, both who have the death penalty for drug dealers. He also said that was something that might not could be done in America, but he rolled the conversation into the border and gang related (he specifically mentioned MS 13) organized trafficking.
Do I support the death penalty for foreign nationals engaged in major drug or human traficking? I have no problem with that and would support it.
Do I support tightening up our borders, particularly our Southern Border? Again, I think it's something we should do.
Do I support rigorous deportation or imprisonment of illegal aliens with extensive criminal records? Yep.
All this is of one piece. Control the flow across the border. Incarcerate and/or deport the distribution system. Decapitate anything in management. Permanently.
wrote on 20 Sept 2024, 13:25 last edited by@Jolly said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
Biased much?
Right, I'm easily the most biased person in this thread.
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wrote on 20 Sept 2024, 15:07 last edited by Doctor Phibes
@Horace said in Gutfeld! tonight...:
I have completed a number of such courses as part of my enormously important job, and am subsequently completely free of bias.
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wrote on 20 Sept 2024, 15:11 last edited by
I think we’ve all learned a valuable lesson here today.
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wrote on 20 Sept 2024, 15:34 last edited by
Down with biasism.
