Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism
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@George-K said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Can someone give me a tl;dw summary?
I'm too old and cranky to sit through all this.
Mostly a hagiographic hagiography of Adolph Hitler, according to Jon's links.
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@George-K said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Can someone give me a tl;dw summary?
I'm too old and cranky to sit through all this.
Mostly a hagiographic hagiography of Adolph Hitler, according to Jon's links.
In other words, both are a load of unmitgated B.S..
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To portray Churchill as having the primary responsibility for WW2 because he refused to come to terms with Hitler is idiotic.
Apart from anything else, what does he suppose would have happened to European Jews if this had occurred?
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@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.
He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust. He uses his rhetorical framings to emphasize different things about the cause and effect, as heterodox podcasters do.
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.
He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust.
The deaths just happened. They succeeded so quickly in their war aims they ended up putting too many people too fast in the camps and next thing ya know a few million are dead. Shit happens! War ain’t beanbag.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.
He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust.
The deaths just happened. They succeeded so quickly in their war aims they ended up putting too many people too fast in the camps and next thing ya know a few million are dead. Shit happens! War ain’t beanbag.
@jon-nyc said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.
He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust.
The deaths just happened. They succeeded so quickly in their war aims they ended up putting too many people too fast in the camps and next thing ya know a few million are dead. Shit happens! War ain’t beanbag.
He actually seems to be saying that killing them was considered more humane than letting them starve to death.
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Ok, who has watched the entire interview?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Yeah, kinda foresaw this during COVID when the media, the government, the academic/medical groups, and the general powers that be pooh-poohed the lab leak theory, natural immunity, that NY was sending sick seniors back to the nursing homes, and countless other “conspiracy theories” that turned out to not be true. When you unravel the trust in the press, academia, and government to this level, then a lot of people are going to distrust everything.
The problem is a helluva lot bigger, deeper, and more dangerous than a whack job trying to make Hitler out to be a moderate and Churchill out to be a warmonger. It is a serious destabilization of society.
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@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.
He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust.
The deaths just happened. They succeeded so quickly in their war aims they ended up putting too many people too fast in the camps and next thing ya know a few million are dead. Shit happens! War ain’t beanbag.
@jon-nyc said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.
He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust.
The deaths just happened. They succeeded so quickly in their war aims they ended up putting too many people too fast in the camps and next thing ya know a few million are dead. Shit happens! War ain’t beanbag.
He chose the "deaths happened" framing because in that context of the conversation he was making an attempt to emphasize Churchill's role in the cause and effect. In other contexts I am sure he would get more explicit about the exterminations in the death camps. The first episode of his podcast, which is about Israel/Palestine, begins with a graphic depiction of the pogroms in Europe which eventually gave rise to Zionism. He does this to humanize a particular side and attempt to describe their perspective and motivations. I assume he will do the same for the Palestinian side, at which point he will surely run afoul of something or other that will make him disgusting again. Personally, from what I've heard of him, I appreciate him and find him interesting.
I should note that he didn't build a compelling case for viewing Hitler or Churchill differently. I never got a clear idea of how he thinks the war and the holocaust would have been different if Churchill had made "better" decisions.
Education is extremely important.
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@jon-nyc said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.
He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust.
The deaths just happened. They succeeded so quickly in their war aims they ended up putting too many people too fast in the camps and next thing ya know a few million are dead. Shit happens! War ain’t beanbag.
He chose the "deaths happened" framing because in that context of the conversation he was making an attempt to emphasize Churchill's role in the cause and effect. In other contexts I am sure he would get more explicit about the exterminations in the death camps. The first episode of his podcast, which is about Israel/Palestine, begins with a graphic depiction of the pogroms in Europe which eventually gave rise to Zionism. He does this to humanize a particular side and attempt to describe their perspective and motivations. I assume he will do the same for the Palestinian side, at which point he will surely run afoul of something or other that will make him disgusting again. Personally, from what I've heard of him, I appreciate him and find him interesting.
I should note that he didn't build a compelling case for viewing Hitler or Churchill differently. I never got a clear idea of how he thinks the war and the holocaust would have been different if Churchill had made "better" decisions.
He chose the "deaths happened" framing because in that context of the conversation he was making an attempt to emphasize Churchill's role in the cause and effect.
So okay I watched the section on WWII in detail and took a cursory view of the other sections.
By the time June 1941 came around the Nazis knew full well that their invasion of the USSR would entail enslavement and racial extermination of whole populations. As the German army advanced the non Jewish population was either enslaved locally or deported to forced labour camps in Germany or occupied Poland. Soviet and Baltic Jews for the most part were murdered on the spot. After the January 1942 Wannsee Conference the policy of mass deportation and extermination of European Jewry led to the construction of the infamous death camps. The racially motivated murders and deaths happened because that was Nazi policy towards what it determined were inferior and subhuman races of people.
I believe it ridiculous and absurd to frame or link Churchill’s policy of no negotiation with the Nazi regime to the Holocaust and the war in Europe. No evidence for such even exists.
Elbows up!
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Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@Jolly said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Ok, who has watched the entire interview?
Only me, maybe you.
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Jolly said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Ok, who has watched the entire interview?
Only me, maybe you.
Not me.
You must be the lone ranger...
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@jon-nyc said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
I think Cooper legitimately has fascist views
The mark of a serious thinker. A fascist around every corner of the heterodox right wing media. Anyway, best not listen to anything Cooper says then, lest you catch fascism.
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He chose the "deaths happened" framing because in that context of the conversation he was making an attempt to emphasize Churchill's role in the cause and effect.
So okay I watched the section on WWII in detail and took a cursory view of the other sections.
By the time June 1941 came around the Nazis knew full well that their invasion of the USSR would entail enslavement and racial extermination of whole populations. As the German army advanced the non Jewish population was either enslaved locally or deported to forced labour camps in Germany or occupied Poland. Soviet and Baltic Jews for the most part were murdered on the spot. After the January 1942 Wannsee Conference the policy of mass deportation and extermination of European Jewry led to the construction of the infamous death camps. The racially motivated murders and deaths happened because that was Nazi policy towards what it determined were inferior and subhuman races of people.
I believe it ridiculous and absurd to frame or link Churchill’s policy of no negotiation with the Nazi regime to the Holocaust and the war in Europe. No evidence for such even exists.
@Renauda said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
I believe it ridiculous and absurd to frame or link Churchill’s policy of no negotiation with the Nazi regime to the Holocaust and the war in Europe. No evidence for such even exists.
Cooper admits in the discussion that he is being hyperbolic and trollish in calling Churchill the primary villain of WW2. I think the attempt to make the point is ill-advised, if his intention is to be taken seriously.
Education is extremely important.
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From the same poster:
Putting aside the Hitler apologia (I know!), perhaps the most ironic part is that most people on the right would recognize this strategy of historical revisionism by selective facts and quotes to sell a narrative because we rightly mocked it when The 1619 Project came out.
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He's discovered that different political tribes will use motivated reasoning to reach different conclusions. What a genius. I'm happy for him that he was able to dunk on this point of Cooper's. If we only had more twitter midwits dunking on more fascists, the world would be a better place, with better, more truthy information.
