Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism
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wrote on 3 Sept 2024, 20:51 last edited by Doctor Phibes 9 Mar 2024, 20:51
Is Darryl Cooper an actual professional historian or just some bloke who did his own research? I must admit I’ve never heard of him.
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Is Darryl Cooper an actual professional historian or just some bloke who did his own research? I must admit I’ve never heard of him.
wrote on 3 Sept 2024, 21:33 last edited by Renauda 9 Mar 2024, 21:34Nor have I.
Doubt that I’ll go to YouTube to explore his revisionist claims as well. From what I can see at a glance he doesn’t warrant further investigation.
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wrote on 3 Sept 2024, 22:06 last edited by
Here’s a story with some extended quotes.
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Nor have I.
Doubt that I’ll go to YouTube to explore his revisionist claims as well. From what I can see at a glance he doesn’t warrant further investigation.
wrote on 3 Sept 2024, 22:08 last edited by@Renauda said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Nor have I.
Doubt that I’ll go to YouTube to explore his revisionist claims as well. From what I can see at a glance he doesn’t warrant further investigation.
Obviously, calling oneself a historian doesn't make it true. I could call myself a jazz musician since I play something approaching jazz on the saxophone, but I'm not really a jazz musician. I could call myself a physicist or a mathematician based on stuff I studied, but clearly I'm nothing of the sort.
Rarely do people willingly describe themselves as bullshit artists.... "And this week, on the Tucker Carlson Show, we listen to three professional bullshit artists making shit up about the holocaust and Vladimir Putin's Russia!" probably isn't going to fly, even it would be refreshingly honest.
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wrote on 3 Sept 2024, 22:16 last edited by Renauda 9 Mar 2024, 22:16
“Refreshingly honest” meaning that they actually believe their own bullshit.
No wonder they admire Putin, that is exactly what he is all about.
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wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 00:57 last edited by
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.
He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust. He uses his rhetorical framings to emphasize different things about the cause and effect, as heterodox podcasters do.
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wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 01:37 last edited by
Can someone give me a tl;dw summary?
I'm too old and cranky to sit through all this.
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wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 01:53 last edited by
That makes two of us.
There is some compelling and recent revisionist history about WWII out there. Sean McMeekin’s Stalin’s War immediately comes to mind. As does David Stahel’s numerous volumes on the Eastern Front.
I doubt if this Cooper podcaster can touch either for historiography.
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wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 02:18 last edited by
@George-K said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Can someone give me a tl;dw summary?
I'm too old and cranky to sit through all this.
Mostly a hagiographic hagiography of Adolph Hitler, according to Jon's links.
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wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 02:37 last edited by
Mostly a rather stupid attempt to be really controversial, more like.
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@George-K said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Can someone give me a tl;dw summary?
I'm too old and cranky to sit through all this.
Mostly a hagiographic hagiography of Adolph Hitler, according to Jon's links.
wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 03:25 last edited by Renauda 9 Apr 2024, 05:57@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@George-K said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Can someone give me a tl;dw summary?
I'm too old and cranky to sit through all this.
Mostly a hagiographic hagiography of Adolph Hitler, according to Jon's links.
In other words, both are a load of unmitgated B.S..
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wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 11:02 last edited by
To portray Churchill as having the primary responsibility for WW2 because he refused to come to terms with Hitler is idiotic.
Apart from anything else, what does he suppose would have happened to European Jews if this had occurred?
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wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 11:09 last edited by jon-nyc 9 Apr 2024, 11:09
@George-K said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Can someone give me a tl;dw summary?
I'm too old and cranky to sit through all this.
He’s Just Asking Questions about Churchill, Hitler, and the Holocaust.
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@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.
He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust. He uses his rhetorical framings to emphasize different things about the cause and effect, as heterodox podcasters do.
wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 11:12 last edited by@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.
He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust.
The deaths just happened. They succeeded so quickly in their war aims they ended up putting too many people too fast in the camps and next thing ya know a few million are dead. Shit happens! War ain’t beanbag.
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@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.
He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust.
The deaths just happened. They succeeded so quickly in their war aims they ended up putting too many people too fast in the camps and next thing ya know a few million are dead. Shit happens! War ain’t beanbag.
wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 11:31 last edited by Doctor Phibes 9 Apr 2024, 11:31@jon-nyc said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.
He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust.
The deaths just happened. They succeeded so quickly in their war aims they ended up putting too many people too fast in the camps and next thing ya know a few million are dead. Shit happens! War ain’t beanbag.
He actually seems to be saying that killing them was considered more humane than letting them starve to death.
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wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 12:07 last edited by
Ok, who has watched the entire interview?
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wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 12:20 last edited by
PoW were only a very small part of those who died in the concentration camps.
The majority of them were Jews, not PoW.
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wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 12:37 last edited by
Chat GPT tells me that in addition to the 6 million Jews, an additional 1.8 - 3 million poles, 2-3 million Soviet PoWs.
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wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 13:00 last edited by
@Jolly said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Ok, who has watched the entire interview?
Only me, maybe you.
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wrote on 4 Sept 2024, 13:04 last edited by
Yeah, kinda foresaw this during COVID when the media, the government, the academic/medical groups, and the general powers that be pooh-poohed the lab leak theory, natural immunity, that NY was sending sick seniors back to the nursing homes, and countless other “conspiracy theories” that turned out to not be true. When you unravel the trust in the press, academia, and government to this level, then a lot of people are going to distrust everything.
The problem is a helluva lot bigger, deeper, and more dangerous than a whack job trying to make Hitler out to be a moderate and Churchill out to be a warmonger. It is a serious destabilization of society.
