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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      #2

      It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Doctor Phibes
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        #3

        Is Darryl Cooper an actual professional historian or just some bloke who did his own research? I must admit I’ve never heard of him.

        I was only joking

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          Is Darryl Cooper an actual professional historian or just some bloke who did his own research? I must admit I’ve never heard of him.

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          Renauda
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          @Doctor-Phibes

          Nor have I.

          Doubt that I’ll go to YouTube to explore his revisionist claims as well. From what I can see at a glance he doesn’t warrant further investigation.

          Elbows up!

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            Here’s a story with some extended quotes.

            https://www.mediaite.com/news/tucker-carlson-starstruck-by-historian-who-calls-churchill-not-hitler-the-chief-villain-of-ww2-and-casts-holocaust-as-accident/amp/

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              @Doctor-Phibes

              Nor have I.

              Doubt that I’ll go to YouTube to explore his revisionist claims as well. From what I can see at a glance he doesn’t warrant further investigation.

              Doctor PhibesD Online
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              Doctor Phibes
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              #6

              @Renauda said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

              @Doctor-Phibes

              Nor have I.

              Doubt that I’ll go to YouTube to explore his revisionist claims as well. From what I can see at a glance he doesn’t warrant further investigation.

              Obviously, calling oneself a historian doesn't make it true. I could call myself a jazz musician since I play something approaching jazz on the saxophone, but I'm not really a jazz musician. I could call myself a physicist or a mathematician based on stuff I studied, but clearly I'm nothing of the sort.

              Rarely do people willingly describe themselves as bullshit artists.... "And this week, on the Tucker Carlson Show, we listen to three professional bullshit artists making shit up about the holocaust and Vladimir Putin's Russia!" probably isn't going to fly, even it would be refreshingly honest.

              I was only joking

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                Renauda
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                #7

                @Doctor-Phibes

                “Refreshingly honest” meaning that they actually believe their own bullshit.

                No wonder they admire Putin, that is exactly what he is all about.

                Elbows up!

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.

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                  @Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                  It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.

                  He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust. He uses his rhetorical framings to emphasize different things about the cause and effect, as heterodox podcasters do.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    #9

                    Can someone give me a tl;dw summary?

                    I'm too old and cranky to sit through all this.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      Can someone give me a tl;dw summary?

                      I'm too old and cranky to sit through all this.

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                      #10

                      @George-K

                      That makes two of us.

                      There is some compelling and recent revisionist history about WWII out there. Sean McMeekin’s Stalin’s War immediately comes to mind. As does David Stahel’s numerous volumes on the Eastern Front.

                      I doubt if this Cooper podcaster can touch either for historiography.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • George KG George K

                        Can someone give me a tl;dw summary?

                        I'm too old and cranky to sit through all this.

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                        #11

                        @George-K said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                        Can someone give me a tl;dw summary?

                        I'm too old and cranky to sit through all this.

                        Mostly a hagiographic hagiography of Adolph Hitler, according to Jon's links.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          Mostly a rather stupid attempt to be really controversial, more like.

                          I was only joking

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            @George-K said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                            Can someone give me a tl;dw summary?

                            I'm too old and cranky to sit through all this.

                            Mostly a hagiographic hagiography of Adolph Hitler, according to Jon's links.

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                            Renauda
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                            @Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                            @George-K said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                            Can someone give me a tl;dw summary?

                            I'm too old and cranky to sit through all this.

                            Mostly a hagiographic hagiography of Adolph Hitler, according to Jon's links.

                            In other words, both are a load of unmitgated B.S..

                            Elbows up!

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                              To portray Churchill as having the primary responsibility for WW2 because he refused to come to terms with Hitler is idiotic.

                              Apart from anything else, what does he suppose would have happened to European Jews if this had occurred?

                              I was only joking

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                              • George KG George K

                                Can someone give me a tl;dw summary?

                                I'm too old and cranky to sit through all this.

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                                jon-nyc
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                                @George-K said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                                Can someone give me a tl;dw summary?

                                I'm too old and cranky to sit through all this.

                                He’s Just Asking Questions about Churchill, Hitler, and the Holocaust.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  @Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                                  It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.

                                  He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust. He uses his rhetorical framings to emphasize different things about the cause and effect, as heterodox podcasters do.

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  @Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                                  @Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                                  It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.

                                  He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust.

                                  The deaths just happened. They succeeded so quickly in their war aims they ended up putting too many people too fast in the camps and next thing ya know a few million are dead. Shit happens! War ain’t beanbag.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    @Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                                    @Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                                    It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.

                                    He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust.

                                    The deaths just happened. They succeeded so quickly in their war aims they ended up putting too many people too fast in the camps and next thing ya know a few million are dead. Shit happens! War ain’t beanbag.

                                    Doctor PhibesD Online
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                                    Doctor Phibes
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                                    #17

                                    @jon-nyc said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                                    @Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                                    @Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                                    It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.

                                    He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust.

                                    The deaths just happened. They succeeded so quickly in their war aims they ended up putting too many people too fast in the camps and next thing ya know a few million are dead. Shit happens! War ain’t beanbag.

                                    He actually seems to be saying that killing them was considered more humane than letting them starve to death.

                                    I was only joking

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                                      Jolly
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                                      Ok, who has watched the entire interview?

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        Klaus
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                                        PoW were only a very small part of those who died in the concentration camps.

                                        The majority of them were Jews, not PoW.

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                                          George K
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                                          Chat GPT tells me that in addition to the 6 million Jews, an additional 1.8 - 3 million poles, 2-3 million Soviet PoWs.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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