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I regret buying a hydrogen car

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    Refueling a hydrogen car in California is so annoying that drivers are suing Toyota


    Comments stolen from a blog

    When he first bought his Toyota Mirai in 2022, Ryan Kiskis was a happy man. He loved the idea of applying cutting edge hydrogen fuel cell technology to environmental consciousness.

    "It's a great car," he said. "My background is an engineer, I'm a huge automotive fan, and I felt the the world was finally catching up with what we have to do" to cut greenhouse gases.

    Hydrogen is a lousy fuel. Any engineer should understand that, meaning Mr Kiskis is a lousy engineer.

    Then reality crashed in.He soon learned that hydrogen refueling stations are scarce and reliably unreliable.

    After he bought the car?

    He learned that the state of California, which is funding the station buildout, is far behind schedule - 200 stations were supposed to be up and running by 2025, but only 54 exist.

    Well, that project is doing better than the high-speed rail at least.

    And since Kiskis bought his car, the price of hydrogen has more than doubled, currently the equivalent of $15 a gallon of gasoline.

    You would need a heart of stone not to laugh.

    With fueling so expensive and stations so undependable, Kiskis - who lives in Pacific Palisades and works at Google in Playa Vista

    Of course he works for Google.

    drives a gasoline Jeep for everything but short trips around the neighborhood."I"ve got a great car that sits in the driveway," he said.

    With any luck it will get stolen.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Hydrogen is basically a non-rechargeable battery.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        Hydrogen is basically a non-rechargeable battery.

        George KG Offline
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        George K
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        @jon-nyc said in I regret buying a hydrogen car:

        Hydrogen is basically a non-rechargeable battery.

        I understand Toyota (?) is doing some work on hydrogen ICE.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          In Brazil a lot of the taxis burn natural gas. Never see that here except for buses.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            In Brazil a lot of the taxis burn natural gas. Never see that here except for buses.

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            @jon-nyc said in I regret buying a hydrogen car:

            In Brazil a lot of the taxis burn natural gas. Never see that here except for buses.

            No, but the drivers seem to still leak methane.

            The Brad

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              https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/natural-gas

              Natural gas powers more than 175,000 vehicles in the United States and roughly 23 million vehicles worldwide.

              That gives the US 0.7% of NG powered, we have about 4.2 of global population

              In 2020, there were 289 million vehicles in use in America, or about 18% of the global total.

              https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/#:~:text=In 2020%2C there were 289,than doubled since the 1960s.

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