It's Walz

[Jolly]

But yet you voted for Captain Asthma?

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in It's Walz:

But yet you voted for Captain Asthma?

Remind me again who is “Captain Asthma”?

[George K]

@Axtremus said in It's Walz:

@Jolly said in It's Walz:

But yet you voted for Captain Asthma?

Remind me again who is “Captain Asthma”?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-draft-deferments-asthma/

Biden received five draft deferments on account of his studies, and after a physical exam in 1968, was disqualified from military service except in the event of a national emergency because of having asthma as a teenager. He never served in the military.

And this:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/making-splash-joe-biden-returns-lifeguard-chair-n776951

As a teenager in the summer of 1962, former Vice President Joe Biden worked as a lifeguard at what was known as the Prices Run swimming pool in Wilmington, Delaware.

And this:

https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/08/joe-biden-penn-athletics-football-archmere-2020-election-delaware

“As much as I lacked confidence in my ability to communicate verbally, I always had confidence in my athletic ability,” Biden wrote in his memoir, "Promises to Keep: On Life and Politics." “Sports were as natural to me as speaking was unnatural. And sports turned out to be my ticket to acceptance — and more. I wasn’t easily intimidated in a game, so even when I stuttered, I was always the kid who said, ‘Give me the ball.’”

Unfit for military duty, but fit enough to be a lifeguard and play football.

[George K]

[Jolly]

Giggles & Snitch. The face of the Demonrat Party.

[LuFins Dad]

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[LuFins Dad]

[Axtremus]

@George-K said in It's Walz:

Unfit for military duty, but fit enough to be a lifeguard and play football.

Is that supposed to be unusual?

Can it not simply be that the military and the civilian football team/lifeguard employer used different criteria to qualify enlistees/players/lifeguards?

Not sure how big a “football school” Biden attended, is the typical high school/collegiate football training physically tougher than, say, military boot camp? Is the typical lifeguard training physically tougher than military boot camp?

I can see one arguing that “Captain Asthma” is just as bad as “Cadet Bone Spur,” but no worse. If someone has a coherent argument for why “Captain Asthma” is somehow worse than “Cadet Bone Spur,” I’d like to hear it.

[George K]

@Axtremus said in It's Walz:

I can see one arguing that “Captain Asthma” is just as bad as “Cadet Bone Spur,” but no worse

I never said it was worse. I implied it's equivalent.

Yet, you never addressed the issue of Biden's deferment(s) until today, AFAIK.

is the typical high school/collegiate football training physically tougher than, say, military boot camp?

I have no clue, but I would guess they're equivalent. @jolly would know more than I do.

Is the typical lifeguard training physically tougher than military boot camp?

Again, I don't know. But you have to be a good, strong swimmer, right? You have to be able to hold your breath, and swim while breathing. You have to be strong enough to pull someone out of the water. That's a tall order for someone whose asthma is bad enough to get them out of military service.

[Aqua Letifer]

@George-K said in It's Walz:

Again, I don't know. But you have to be a good, strong swimmer, right? You have to be able to hold your breath, and swim while breathing. You have to be strong enough to pull someone out of the water. That's a tall order for someone whose asthma is bad enough to get them out of military service.

Asthma fucks you up when you swim or play football in all but the very lightest of cases.

[Axtremus]

@George-K said in It's Walz:

Yet, you never addressed the issue of Biden's deferment(s) until today, AFAIK.

Six days ago: https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/291985

I didn’t know if you were referring to Biden at the time, but I addressed “asthma” in the context of military deferment and playing football and working as a lifeguard.

[Axtremus]

Asthma and playing football:
https://www.snallergy.com/athletic-support-for-football-players-and-asthma/

Jerome Bettis, Emmit Smith, and Chris Draft are NFL pro players, and all three managed their asthma conditions throughout their careers.

Asthma and swimming:
https://www.reuters.com/article/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/asthma-very-common-among-olympic-level-swimmers-idUSKBN0MT2I5/

“Asthma very common among Olympic-level swimmers”
Most years, swimming events had more participants with asthma or other airway obstruction than other aquatic events. …
Each year, between 12 and 25 percent of swimmers had asthma. In 2008, almost 25 percent of swimmers, 26 percent of open water swimmers and 22 percent of synchronized swimmers had asthma.

[George K]

@Axtremus said in It's Walz:

Asthma and playing football:
https://www.snallergy.com/athletic-support-for-football-players-and-asthma/

Jerome Bettis, Emmit Smith, and Chris Draft are NFL pro players, and all three managed their asthma conditions throughout their careers.

Asthma and swimming:
https://www.reuters.com/article/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/asthma-very-common-among-olympic-level-swimmers-idUSKBN0MT2I5/

“Asthma very common among Olympic-level swimmers”
Most years, swimming events had more participants with asthma or other airway obstruction than other aquatic events. …
Each year, between 12 and 25 percent of swimmers had asthma. In 2008, almost 25 percent of swimmers, 26 percent of open water swimmers and 22 percent of synchronized swimmers had asthma.

Outstanding. So if you have asthma, you can play football, be a lifeguard but you're not fit for military service because of your health.

[Aqua Letifer]

Please, Ax, tell us more about a medical condition you had to fucking Google because you don't have it!

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in It's Walz:

is the typical high school/collegiate football training physically tougher than, say, military boot camp?

Boot camp is a little tougher in some ways, less so in others. Football players train for strength and short bursts of quickness and speed. Boot camp stresses strength and endurance. Both stress ignoring minor pain, teamwork and accomplishing a goal.

I was a high school player and a mediocre one. I'm so slow, I could start running and it would take a day and a half for me to get out of sight. Still, when I went to college, the school was very big on personal fitness and all incoming freshman were tested and placed in a PE class with an emphasis on Cooper Aerobics, flexibility and some strength.

At 18, I did 62 pushups, 150 situps and 4 chin-ups. I ran almost 2 miles (gasping and barely) in 12 minutes. I could sit on the floor, legs straight out, and reach my arms to the wrist past my feet. I could lay flat on my stomach, arms stretched out in front of me holding a broomstick (palms down) at shoulder width, then pick up and rotate the stick all the way to the small of my back (only one of 300 freshman to do so). In the weightroom, I benched 210 and squatted 400. At 220 pounds, I measured normal body fat.

That was the best shape I was ever in and there were guys I played with, that could leave me in the dust.

So yeah, I think most decent high school football players could get through boot. Even the big uglies.

[Aqua Letifer]

"Asthma," not asthma, is prevalent among athletes because (1) they're physically fit but unhealthy and (2) they use albuterol as a performance enhancer to up their VO2max, however marginally.

And it is entirely possible to not only serve but complete and pass army ranger school with asthma. This happens on the regular.

[Axtremus]

@George-K said in It's Walz:

Outstanding. So if you have asthma, you can play football, be a lifeguard but you're not fit for military service because of your health.

Have to look at the military's criteria for enlistment/deferment at the time, and evaluate that against a specific asthma patient's health history and condition at the time.

You keep bringing this asthma thing up like a one-size-fits-all but I expect you to know better.

(You can, of course, also say the same for bone spur.)

[Aqua Letifer]

@Axtremus said in It's Walz:

@George-K said in It's Walz:

Outstanding. So if you have asthma, you can play football, be a lifeguard but you're not fit for military service because of your health.

Have to look at the military's criteria for enlistment/deferment at the time, and evaluate that against a specific asthma patient's health history and condition at the time.

You keep bringing this asthma thing up like a one-size-fits-all but I expect you to know better.

(You can, of course, also say the same for bone spur.)

Ax, please tell me what you know about asthma that you haven't Googled.

[Axtremus]

@Aqua-Letifer said in It's Walz:

Please, Ax, tell us more about a medical condition you had to fucking Google because you don't have it!

Googling, and looking up statistics and cases beyond your own first-hand experience is good because it lets you see a world beyond yourself. Don't approach issues like a self-centered brat who thinks his own experience is all that matters. There is a big world out there with many people with different experiences. You should Google more and make it more of a habit to look up more data, statistics, and case studies when approaching issues that concern more than just you personally.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Axtremus said in It's Walz:

@Aqua-Letifer said in It's Walz:

Please, Ax, tell us more about a medical condition you had to fucking Google because you don't have it!

Googling, and looking up statistics and cases beyond your own first-hand experience is good because it lets you see beyond a world beyond yourself. Don't approach issues like a self-centered brat who thinks his own experience is all that matters. There is a big world out there with many people with different experiences. You should Google more and make it more of a habit to look up more data, statistics, and case studies when approaching issues that concern more than just you personally.

Your treatment of your relationships is embarrassing. You don't know how to meet others halfway in their discussions, you aren't curious about anyone you choose to speak with and that makes you a waste of time. It's not your political opinions or the level to which we may agree or disagree on topics. Those are trivial, but your personality is disgusting and there is no instance in which I have felt glad to have been exposed to it.

I can't block you or else I would have years ago. Do both me and yourself a favor and block me instead. I'd greatly appreciate it.