In four years you won't have to vote again
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@Aqua-Letifer said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
Please show me where reason and temperance has gotten any republican anywhere when dealing with the wokes. I'm serious.
It's not just the wokes who think that Trump is a potentially dangerous individual.
I think that how he behaved in 2020 was intended to destabilize the country. I'm not saying it was a coup attempt, but it wasn't a good thing by any means. The fact that it was, rather typically for him, quite inept and incompetent, is probably a good thing.
I personally think there's something wrong with Donald Trump, and I'd much rather the GOP picked somebody else, even if their policies are more at odds with mine than his are. Am I one of the wokes? I know, TDS makes everybody woke.
@Doctor-Phibes said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
@Aqua-Letifer said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
Please show me where reason and temperance has gotten any republican anywhere when dealing with the wokes. I'm serious.
It's not just the wokes who think that Trump is a potentially dangerous individual.
I think that how he behaved in 2020 was intended to destabilize the country. I'm not saying it was a coup attempt, but it wasn't a good thing by any means. The fact that it was, rather typically for him, quite inept and incompetent, is probably a good thing.
I personally think there's something wrong with Donald Trump, and I'd much rather the GOP picked somebody else, even if their policies are more at odds with mine than his are. Am I one of the wokes?
Politics is downstream to culture. Culture's a better predictor.
And anyway, we on the same page about Trump. However, Trump tries to pull levers he thinks will work for his base. There are reasons (sure, not good ones) he's the guy.
One of the most ridiculous positions I hear from non-Americans is that Trump happened in a vacuum. Everything was fine and perfect and everybody was happy with liberal leadership (nevermind that we radicalized social media, the schools, the entertainment industry and science itself) until Orange Man came to town, and brainwashed the poor stupid people. Or maybe he necromanced the Nazis and now they're disguising themselves as American tradies, I forget the narrative sometimes.
My point is that they don't understand that politics is downstream to culture. The liberals who hate Trump so much contributed the most to having someone like him be the guy for the GOP.
Please love yourself.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
@Aqua-Letifer said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
Please show me where reason and temperance has gotten any republican anywhere when dealing with the wokes. I'm serious.
It's not just the wokes who think that Trump is a potentially dangerous individual.
I think that how he behaved in 2020 was intended to destabilize the country. I'm not saying it was a coup attempt, but it wasn't a good thing by any means. The fact that it was, rather typically for him, quite inept and incompetent, is probably a good thing.
I personally think there's something wrong with Donald Trump, and I'd much rather the GOP picked somebody else, even if their policies are more at odds with mine than his are. Am I one of the wokes?
Politics is downstream to culture. Culture's a better predictor.
And anyway, we on the same page about Trump. However, Trump tries to pull levers he thinks will work for his base. There are reasons (sure, not good ones) he's the guy.
One of the most ridiculous positions I hear from non-Americans is that Trump happened in a vacuum. Everything was fine and perfect and everybody was happy with liberal leadership (nevermind that we radicalized social media, the schools, the entertainment industry and science itself) until Orange Man came to town, and brainwashed the poor stupid people. Or maybe he necromanced the Nazis and now they're disguising themselves as American tradies, I forget the narrative sometimes.
My point is that they don't understand that politics is downstream to culture. The liberals who hate Trump so much contributed the most to having someone like him be the guy for the GOP.
@Aqua-Letifer said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
The liberals who hate Trump so much contributed the most to having someone like him be the guy for the GOP.
Yep.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
@Aqua-Letifer said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
Please show me where reason and temperance has gotten any republican anywhere when dealing with the wokes. I'm serious.
It's not just the wokes who think that Trump is a potentially dangerous individual.
I think that how he behaved in 2020 was intended to destabilize the country. I'm not saying it was a coup attempt, but it wasn't a good thing by any means. The fact that it was, rather typically for him, quite inept and incompetent, is probably a good thing.
I personally think there's something wrong with Donald Trump, and I'd much rather the GOP picked somebody else, even if their policies are more at odds with mine than his are. Am I one of the wokes?
Politics is downstream to culture. Culture's a better predictor.
And anyway, we on the same page about Trump. However, Trump tries to pull levers he thinks will work for his base. There are reasons (sure, not good ones) he's the guy.
One of the most ridiculous positions I hear from non-Americans is that Trump happened in a vacuum. Everything was fine and perfect and everybody was happy with liberal leadership (nevermind that we radicalized social media, the schools, the entertainment industry and science itself) until Orange Man came to town, and brainwashed the poor stupid people. Or maybe he necromanced the Nazis and now they're disguising themselves as American tradies, I forget the narrative sometimes.
My point is that they don't understand that politics is downstream to culture. The liberals who hate Trump so much contributed the most to having someone like him be the guy for the GOP.
@Aqua-Letifer said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
One of the most ridiculous positions I hear from non-Americans is that Trump happened in a vacuum.
Yes, that's clearly bollocks, as can be evidenced from the rise of similar and different right-wing populist candidates elsewhere. Trump wasn't even the first. Nigel Farage for example has been involved in British politics since the late 90's, and I'm sure there are lots of other examples.
I was only joking
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@Aqua-Letifer said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
One of the most ridiculous positions I hear from non-Americans is that Trump happened in a vacuum.
Yes, that's clearly bollocks, as can be evidenced from the rise of similar and different right-wing populist candidates elsewhere. Trump wasn't even the first. Nigel Farage for example has been involved in British politics since the late 90's, and I'm sure there are lots of other examples.
@Doctor-Phibes said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
@Aqua-Letifer said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
One of the most ridiculous positions I hear from non-Americans is that Trump happened in a vacuum.
Yes, that's clearly bollocks, as can be evidenced from the rise of similar and different right-wing populist candidates elsewhere. Trump wasn't even the first. Nigel Farage for example has been involved in British politics since the late 90's, and I'm sure there are lots of other examples.
That's my thing. This isn't just an America problem, and I don't think it's political in nature even though there are obvious political consequences.
Personally, I'll be very happy if by February 2025, the lights are still on, there's still food at the grocery store and concepts like "jobs" still exist so Trump's shenanigans aren't much on my radar.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
One of the most ridiculous positions I hear from non-Americans is that Trump happened in a vacuum.
Yes, that's clearly bollocks, as can be evidenced from the rise of similar and different right-wing populist candidates elsewhere. Trump wasn't even the first. Nigel Farage for example has been involved in British politics since the late 90's, and I'm sure there are lots of other examples.
@Doctor-Phibes said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
@Aqua-Letifer said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
One of the most ridiculous positions I hear from non-Americans is that Trump happened in a vacuum.
Yes, that's clearly bollocks, as can be evidenced from the rise of similar and different right-wing populist candidates elsewhere. Trump wasn't even the first. Nigel Farage for example has been involved in British politics since the late 90's, and I'm sure there are lots of other examples.
I would agree. Nationalist populism began to attract adherents on continental Europe back in the 1980s. It was however in 1990s during the reconstruction period of the Eastern European states that it began to really take hold. North America only played with the populist trend, usually in the guise of social conservatism, until 2008 in the wake of the economic meltdown and election of Obama with the rise of the Tea Bag faction and reaction to globalisation inside the Republican Party. Similar trend here in Canada although without the overt social conservative character seen in the US.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
@Aqua-Letifer said in In four years you won't have to vote again:
One of the most ridiculous positions I hear from non-Americans is that Trump happened in a vacuum.
Yes, that's clearly bollocks, as can be evidenced from the rise of similar and different right-wing populist candidates elsewhere. Trump wasn't even the first. Nigel Farage for example has been involved in British politics since the late 90's, and I'm sure there are lots of other examples.
I would agree. Nationalist populism began to attract adherents on continental Europe back in the 1980s. It was however in 1990s during the reconstruction period of the Eastern European states that it began to really take hold. North America only played with the populist trend, usually in the guise of social conservatism, until 2008 in the wake of the economic meltdown and election of Obama with the rise of the Tea Bag faction and reaction to globalisation inside the Republican Party. Similar trend here in Canada although without the overt social conservative character seen in the US.
@Renauda Interesting that the book I am reading (The Coming of the Third Reich) goes into great detail 1920's Germany and the raise nationalism and populism, etc.
NOTE: I AM IN NO WAY COMPARING 1920's Germany with 2020's USA. But it was an interesting look at how things started there.
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@Renauda Interesting that the book I am reading (The Coming of the Third Reich) goes into great detail 1920's Germany and the raise nationalism and populism, etc.
NOTE: I AM IN NO WAY COMPARING 1920's Germany with 2020's USA. But it was an interesting look at how things started there.
I know the trilogy well, I read all three volumes a couple of years ago. There are a few similarities particularly in current continental Europe rather than North America. Specifically how traditional conservatism has been supplanted and relegated to near irrelevancy. This is especially the case in Eastern Europe.
